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Algernon Moncrieff

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68. In what way are we in a position of strength?

Thu Jan 5, 2023, 04:03 PM

Jan 2023

We have 212 votes, which we are using to support a representative who has virtually no chance of winning the speakership.

They have 221 votes. They have a candidate for speaker vehemently opposed by 20 members who want to, essentially, install a fascist, or at a minimum make the next two years about not raising the debt ceiling, impeaching Joe Biden, having endless hearings into the J6 committee members, Fauci, Hunter Biden, and other things for the entertainment of the Fox/Newsmax/OANN crowd.

Those 20 are in the position of strength, because they will bend the other 201 to their will.

We only have strength if we choose someone less objectionable to at least 6 of those 201 than the 20 holdouts want.

In another post, I threw out David G. Valadao, Dan Newhouse, or GOP non-House members like Chuck Hagel or Larry Hogan.

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At this point, Democrats should decide who the moderate R is that they will vote for [View all] Sogo Jan 2023 OP

No. Let them dig themselves out. Srkdqltr Jan 2023 #1

A crime syndicate should have a good mob boss as leader. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #4

When your enemy is destroying itself, don't get in the way. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #2

If this enemy morphs into Trump as Speaker, Sogo Jan 2023 #3

The dems are being very smart with nerves of steel. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #10

Yep. We get to 5pm tomorrow, and the bobble-heads get their weekend news, Volaris Jan 2023 #33

What is your prediction for next week? Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #34

By Wed the votes will start to coalesce around maybe Jordan, Volaris Jan 2023 #37

GOP voting for Trump as speaker is a trick to get Dems to make a deal? Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #46

How many votes have been cast for Trump? onenote Jan 2023 #51

I am responding to a post saying that the base may demand more Trump votes. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #58

They're not that smart lol...if the base wants Trump, that's what they will try to do. Volaris Jan 2023 #54

I think they have animal cunning. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #59

The Maga base has already demonstrated that. Volaris Jan 2023 #66

Trump doesn't want the job. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #75

You may be fine with it but the representatives and their staffs are not. former9thward Jan 2023 #89

You're vastly underestimating how much AkFemDem Jan 2023 #13

They may hate him, but they fall in line every time. Sogo Jan 2023 #22

I don't see that as anything but a negative for Republicans. yardwork Jan 2023 #41

I agree, he doesn't want the job. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #77

Trump as speaker would Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #78

I think this is probably true Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #93

I don't think he would even show up. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #98

The x has only gotten one nomination and vote MagickMuffin Jan 2023 #82

I guess I don't see where you are coming from Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2023 #29

For right now, I trust the Dem leadership to do what is appropriate to the situation. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #31

Thank you, Algernon Moncrieff. Sogo Jan 2023 #32

stefanik. Then they will 'unify more than any other house in history' to carry out an wiggs Jan 2023 #35

To me, this would is not about "getting in the way" Silent3 Jan 2023 #67

Excellent points, Silent3! Sogo Jan 2023 #71

I agree on a moderate, but it has to be one elected lindysalsagal Jan 2023 #72

There are no real moderates elected to the House any more Silent3 Jan 2023 #80

Let them nominate trump, if that's what they want. LuvLoogie Jan 2023 #5

The Democrats should say to the Republicans, you broke it, you bought it Walleye Jan 2023 #6

No RandySF Jan 2023 #7

No Botany Jan 2023 #8

No way do we rescue these idiots. vanlassie Jan 2023 #9

I don't perceive it as rescuing, but overtaking. Sogo Jan 2023 #14

Really not rescuing, newdayneeded Jan 2023 #92

Is it rescuing them Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #94

Not.without. A. Power-Sharingn. Agreement ColinC Jan 2023 #11

Every second they are doing this they aren't taking away Social Security. Gore1FL Jan 2023 #12

And the 20 will vote for McCarthy Beachnutt Jan 2023 #15

I do NOT think we should do it, but if every Dem voted for the moderate Rethug, only 6 Rethugs Celerity Jan 2023 #42

No, no, a thousand times no. blue neen Jan 2023 #16

Nope, we need to stay out of the way of the circular firing squad. lark Jan 2023 #17

You forget, maybe, no one is getting paid. former9thward Jan 2023 #90

I wish they would find a way to swear them in without having a Speaker. lark Jan 2023 #96

Yesterday, Pelosi said exactly what I think. Torchlight Jan 2023 #18

Until a group of R's make concessions ThoughtCriminal Jan 2023 #19

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! If this blockade is to be broken then it is the Rs who must in2herbs Jan 2023 #20

The GOP crime syndicate should get the mob boss they deserve. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #21

No. Ninga Jan 2023 #23

no such thing as a moderate republican DBoon Jan 2023 #24

Dan Newhouse (WA-4) and David Valadao (CA-22) are the only 2 Rethugs left in the House who voted to Celerity Jan 2023 #48

ok, not quite extinct but a critically endangered species nevertheless DBoon Jan 2023 #76

Ooof.... only 2? Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #95

No, this is FEAR OF TRUMP, a Republican pathology. enough Jan 2023 #25

If. And a huge if all McCarthys concessions are off and dems set the rules. Srkdqltr Jan 2023 #26

Oh HELL no! GOPers used gerrymandering and voter suppression to get the crazies in. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #27

BUT... Would any republicans support Hakeem Jeffries "for the sake of the institution" keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #28

Dems; keep voting for Hakeem. keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #30

Folks keep acting like there are moderate repubs that would work with Democrats onenote Jan 2023 #36

this is true ZonkerHarris Jan 2023 #45

Thanks for this. crickets Jan 2023 #52

Minor Correction ProfessorGAC Jan 2023 #81

Mark Cuban Captain Zero Jan 2023 #38

NO. Excuse me... HELL NO. KentuckyWoman Jan 2023 #39

No Hekate Jan 2023 #40

N. O. durablend Jan 2023 #43

FUCK NO! never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ZonkerHarris Jan 2023 #44

As crazy as the GOP is, they'll never vote en masse for a non-House member Tarc Jan 2023 #47

Why not get some moderate R votes and elect Jeffries? yardwork Jan 2023 #49

I like that.... Sogo Jan 2023 #53

Again, who are these "moderates" onenote Jan 2023 #56

I tend to agree; I'm just countering the OP. yardwork Jan 2023 #60

In what way are we in a position of strength? Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2023 #68

Larry Hogan sounds excellent. Sogo Jan 2023 #73

If he'd do the job, I'd suggest throwing his name out there Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2023 #74

The r thugs will not vote for Valadao or Newhouse Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #85

That would be soooo awesome! ecstatic Jan 2023 #87

Seriously you want Dems to vote for a republican? Emile Jan 2023 #50

Perhaps I'm naive to believe that there may be some sensible ones.... Sogo Jan 2023 #57

Who do you have in mind? yardwork Jan 2023 #61

I don't have anyone in mind.... Sogo Jan 2023 #65

Again - not to be a broken record - we did this just two days ago in Ohio Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2023 #62

Now name the moderate r thugs in DC Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #84

212. Every single time. ck4829 Jan 2023 #55

No, let the moderate repukes vote for a moderate Dem Mysterian Jan 2023 #63

Um inthewind21 Jan 2023 #64

Disagree jcgoldie Jan 2023 #69

Starting Jan. 13, staffers for both parties will not be paid. That is a terrible burden to lay on tblue37 Jan 2023 #70

So lay the chaos at the feet of those responsible. Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #86

Easy to say on an internet discussion board. former9thward Jan 2023 #91

Trashing this thread. Emile Jan 2023 #79

No! Scottie Mom Jan 2023 #83

This is beyond not smart Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #88

No. The Democrats already spend too much time cleaning up these assholes' messes. GoCubsGo Jan 2023 #97