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Pototan

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60. Let me explain
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 12:11 AM
Jan 2023

as I said in my post, I understand and beleive in Democratic socialism. But the 8% of the voters that control the outcome of elections don't understand it and never will, so it must remain unspoken. In reality, we already practice it and that 8% would howel if it went away, Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare. In fact, labor unions, of which I was an employee for 25 years, is a pure example of Democratic socialism. Every union employee is paid the same wage in relation to years of service, not an arbitrary "merit system" in which that "merit" is determined by somebody's uncle. Each union employee has the same benefits. In my union, 100% gold plated health care, a defined pension and an annuity. since it was considered private sector, a longtime employee would max out his Social Security.

However, even many of our members couldn't grasp this. don't you remember during the tea bagger revolution the elderly woman holding the sign that read "The Government Should Keep Its Hands Off My Medicare". You couldn't explain in 100 years to that woman how ludicrous that opinion is.

Hence, my premise is that that 8% has to be targeted at an emotional level. You could lose your Democracy, you could lose your rights, you could lose your Social Security by voting Republican. It has to be simple, visceral and emotional. Trying to reason with them or trying to educate them is impossible. Now, I'm sure you will see in one or two of my posts about educating our union members. The difference is that they become a captive audience at union meetings. Especially in meetings in which their wages and benefits are determined and they vote on its disbursement. That's when the fact they have such great wages and benefits are not because of Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson, but because of the union leadership that gets legislation passed that helps each and every one of them and their families. I would say, "you don't believe us, then why do the non-union electricians make 60% of your rate and benefits and their employers donate heavily to Republicans?"

that's what we did in the trades after the debacle of Scoot Bowns' special election upset and the double-digit Warren win two years later.

But the rest of that 8% won't sit for an hour-long session to listen to why they should vote in their own best interest. that's why we need to keep it simple and appeal to emotion and leave no stone unturned.

In my opinion, the National Democratic Party took New York and California for granted and it cost us 8 seats, and hence the majority.

Everyone else can slap each other on the back, but to me a loss is a loss and a Republican majority in the House will move this country from crisis to crisis in the next two years.

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Democratic Messaging [View all] Pototan Jan 2023 OP
Good idea. Hang it on all repubs. HUAJIAO Jan 2023 #1
Do MAGATs even know what morality means? And they love police. live love laugh Jan 2023 #2
Please keep in mind that elections are won on the margins Pototan Jan 2023 #4
True. Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #6
Yeah, that Hakeem Jeffries is a real schlub. And Joe Biden, whoo! Lame-o! Don't even get me started Hekate Jan 2023 #3
Oh, come on. Let the poster express his/her opinion, Why belittle them? question everything Jan 2023 #5
The poster has a lot of company in hand-wringing just lately. I'm expressing my opinion that... Hekate Jan 2023 #12
Don't you recognize a low-post troll bashing Dems... brush Jan 2023 #14
You're 100% wrong Pototan Jan 2023 #22
And I'm offended by the Dem bashing. brush Jan 2023 #38
there's a difference between "Bashing" nad constructive criticism Pototan Jan 2023 #42
Hundreds of positives happened. We did good in the mid-terms.... brush Jan 2023 #43
Ya, we did real well Pototan Jan 2023 #46
One trick pony. brush Jan 2023 #47
In Massachusetts we have more than a one trick pony Pototan Jan 2023 #49
Thank you for expressing your opinion despite being picked at Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #76
Charlie Baker Celerity Jan 2023 #68
Charlie's out Pototan Jan 2023 #79
I didn't see a 'currently sitting' qualifier Celerity Jan 2023 #80
It's simple Pototan Jan 2023 #81
Splitting hairs as up until a few days ago Baker was the sitting governor, plus he had high approval Celerity Jan 2023 #82
You obviously don't know Massachusetts politics Pototan Jan 2023 #88
Welcome to DU, you are very new here so I will overlook the condescending nature of that reply Celerity Jan 2023 #89
Charkie Baker is a Republican like Joe Manchin is a Democrat Pototan Jan 2023 #90
At least "milquetoast" "spineless" and "complacent" aren't so popular for bashing Democrats betsuni Jan 2023 #23
I think you may have missed my point Pototan Jan 2023 #28
You're right, I don't understand your point. betsuni Jan 2023 #30
It's not just about defining our side Pototan Jan 2023 #32
You're Wrong DET Jan 2023 #33
Republicans know that Democrats stand for government. They just hate the government. betsuni Jan 2023 #44
Yes, But... DET Jan 2023 #48
Agree Fetterman is great, not beholden to any populist SuperPACs who want him to betsuni Jan 2023 #50
None of the countries in Scandinavia have "Democratic Socialist" regiemes. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #57
"Timid" is the new "spineless." betsuni Jan 2023 #51
the opposite of Timid is Aggressive, not spineless Pototan Jan 2023 #58
Blame Democrats! "We"? betsuni Jan 2023 #65
"cerebral" treestar Jan 2023 #73
Again, we will not convince Republicans Pototan Jan 2023 #91
He/she is a newbie, hence low post. Cut them some slack. Please question everything Jan 2023 #26
Thanks for your support Pototan Jan 2023 #34
... betsuni Jan 2023 #67
Let Hekate Express her Opinion. Cha Jan 2023 #54
+1. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #77
Sometimes a little sarcsm is necessary Progressive dog Jan 2023 #9
Why did we lose the House? Pototan Jan 2023 #27
If those people are not capable of thought Progressive dog Jan 2023 #39
+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #45
We lost due to gerrymandering LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #55
There are 18 Republican Congressmen from Biden districts Pototan Jan 2023 #56
"I'm as strong a Democrat as there is." betsuni Jan 2023 #66
If, as you say: "The other side wins people's votes by just using the socialist label" Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #59
Let me explain Pototan Jan 2023 #60
So the "message" you have for the Democratic Party is to embrace duplicity? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #61
Ya, they're not stupid Pototan Jan 2023 #62
Once again you dodge the main points. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #63
Just one survey, there are more with about the same rankings. KS Toronado Jan 2023 #64
This list represents mendacity of the worst kind. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #69
" confuse liberal social democracy with socialism." KS Toronado Jan 2023 #70
One has an advanced capitalist economic system allied to a liberal democratic political structure Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #71
Was hoping with Jeffries the whining about leadership might ease up, all that betsuni Jan 2023 #10
Your snarky response doesn't address the messaging issue luv2fly Jan 2023 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #24
I keep wondering about that phrase. "Morality Police." enough Jan 2023 #7
Messaging is overrated. The people that support him support JI7 Jan 2023 #8
Please read reply 4 Pototan Jan 2023 #13
Seems like they messaged the hell mcar Jan 2023 #15
With friends like this...it is a miracle Democrat ever win...everyone thinks they are an expert. Demsrule86 Jan 2023 #18
And they always thinks Dems are bad, wrong, mcar Jan 2023 #29
This board has gotten worse. newdayneeded Jan 2023 #35
You'd be surprised at how may experts lift ideas from here. Cetacea Jan 2023 #52
Biden did the messaging on Democracy Pototan Jan 2023 #20
President Biden has done a fantastic job in his message for months now ..... LenaBaby61 Jan 2023 #25
Good Idea DET Jan 2023 #16
Do you? Well I think the 'slogan' would be meaningless to those on the right... Demsrule86 Jan 2023 #19
Please read reply 4 Pototan Jan 2023 #21
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #78
like it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #17
Call it the governor's gestapo. Efilroft Sul Jan 2023 #31
Answer: we don't attack people to make the blogosphere feel good brooklynite Jan 2023 #36
why define him now Pototan Jan 2023 #37
We defined Trump very well in 2016... brooklynite Jan 2023 #40
We defined him when it was too late Pototan Jan 2023 #41
Gee inthewind21 Jan 2023 #75
I don't there are as many of these people as you think... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #84
+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #85
He ran on how well he handled Covid-with help from God no less. Crickets. Cetacea Jan 2023 #53
The Democrats are not at fault because the media treestar Jan 2023 #72
IMO, We need to head up to 30,000 feet with our messaging. Prairie_Seagull Jan 2023 #74
What is most need is a smarter voting public that doesn't respond to "messaging" Silent3 Jan 2023 #83
+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #86
There have been times in the past I think Dem's messaging hasn't been as strong as I thot it.... electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #87
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