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155. What were the nobles in those times? Collectively, a GROUP of self-appointed mini-dictators.

Fri Jan 20, 2023, 01:22 PM

Jan 2023

They attained their power by BIRTH, not by the actions of a democratic system.

They still enjoy their status because of birth.

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Is anyone else reading Spare by Prince Harry? [View all] madaboutharry Jan 2023 OP

I'm listening Dr. Shepper Jan 2023 #1

I completely disagree Evergreen Emerald Jan 2023 #2

Really? blue cat Jan 2023 #3

Mahalo! I love them for what Cha Jan 2023 #30

thank you Skittles Jan 2023 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueLucy Jan 2023 #6

Totally agree. nt Raine Jan 2023 #70

they're both insufferable Skittles Jan 2023 #71

The US exists because the colonists revolted against the monarchy. pnwmom Jan 2023 #135

Oh, please . . . markpkessinger Jan 2023 #159

Guess what? The poor, mostly illiterate people you so distain were colonists pnwmom Jan 2023 #164

Where did I say anything remotely about disdaining the poor? markpkessinger Jan 2023 #173

I completely disagree. BlueLucy Jan 2023 #5

Mahalo, Blue Lucy.. I love that Cha Jan 2023 #12

Exactly. BlueLucy Jan 2023 #17

Ummm...no they said there was no racism! Evergreen Emerald Jan 2023 #46

He said it was subconscious BlueLucy Jan 2023 #51

No. He said they --like everyone else in the world has unconscious bias Evergreen Emerald Jan 2023 #75

He said he didn't use the word racism, or racist, pnwmom Jan 2023 #120

I experienced sexism / misogyny in the military decades ago Skittles Jan 2023 #47

You chose to enter the military. He was born into the Firm. pnwmom Jan 2023 #121

You never miss a thread on this! yardwork Jan 2023 #19

Neither do I But Not Cha Jan 2023 #23

+1 ❤️✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Jan 2023 #69

Aloha, Lucinda 💖 Cha Jan 2023 #104

Yep. It's so obvious but people are blinded by Solomon Jan 2023 #83

I know right.. It just doesn't Cha Jan 2023 #103

Seriously obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #55

I'm with you. pandr32 Jan 2023 #21

The way Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate treated him and Meghan is what disgusts me. n/t Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #100

Because you haven't read the book. This was your opinion before it ever came out. nt pnwmom Jan 2023 #115

I have no horse in this race... DaBronx Jan 2023 #7

Thank you for your Thoughtful post.. Cha Jan 2023 #26

I have read (and will only read) the excerpts, but I came out thinking that hlthe2b Jan 2023 #8

That's kind of how I see it. yardwork Jan 2023 #22

Yep. Everything is under this public spotlight treestar Jan 2023 #29

To your point, treestar. pnwmom Jan 2023 #117

A narcissistic parent demands that his children maintain the family's image at all costs, pnwmom Jan 2023 #116

I want to read it someday.. and so Cha Jan 2023 #9

It's gotten a couple of thoughtful reviews in the Los Angeles Times from people I respect... Hekate Jan 2023 #10

Mahalo for this, Hekate.. Good Cha Jan 2023 #13

Nope, and don't plan to read it. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #11

They never said they wanted to be left alone. Your tabloid reading is showing Arazi Jan 2023 #15

+1 ❤️✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Jan 2023 #24

Agree, too.. Mahalo, Lucinda!🤷‍♀️💖 Cha Jan 2023 #48

"Your tabloid reading is showing." Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #36

Nope, they knew they'd never escape tabloid scrutiny Arazi Jan 2023 #39

Oh, I dunno. The thing about the news is that you have to be newsworthy to be in the news. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #50

Diana thought that if she just withdrew she'd be left alone Arazi Jan 2023 #52

I'm with you. BlueLucy Jan 2023 #53

The thing about being in the Firm is that anything a member does is automatically newsworthy. pnwmom Jan 2023 #133

Thank you! Solomon Jan 2023 #84

Not quite. March 21, 2021 on Oprah SYFROYH Jan 2023 #86

They wanted out of the royal circus treestar Jan 2023 #32

"They wanted out of the royal circus." Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #38

I don't see real attacks treestar Jan 2023 #105

They moved to CA and for a year laid low -- from Jan 2020 to March 2021. pnwmom Jan 2023 #118

I always feel sorry for the progeny of dictators. Marcus IM Jan 2023 #14

Calling the 21st century British royals "dictators" is risible. Hekate Jan 2023 #28

The British Monarch existing romanticizes dictators. nt BlueLucy Jan 2023 #54

To be a dictator one needs power iemanja Jan 2023 #171

Thank you, that's true. BlueLucy Jan 2023 #172

That's not quite reflective of the history treestar Jan 2023 #35

Ireland may have a different opinion about the power of the British monarchs, pnwmom Jan 2023 #139

Victoria was not a dictator treestar Jan 2023 #150

Yes. Thanks for speaking up for accurate language and history. :) Hortensis Jan 2023 #161

Note: I posted "progeny". Marcus IM Jan 2023 #37

None of them were dictators even when they did actually rule treestar Jan 2023 #107

The "too bossy" ones in the past were failed dictators -- but they did try. n/t pnwmom Jan 2023 #136

Dictators had all the power treestar Jan 2023 #151

What were the nobles in those times? Collectively, a GROUP of self-appointed mini-dictators. pnwmom Jan 2023 #155

they could disagree amongst themselves treestar Jan 2023 #157

The "nobles" were essentially dictators over their little fiefdoms. pnwmom Jan 2023 #158

Lol the British Royals are far from dictators obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #57

i haven't, but my wife has Takket Jan 2023 #16

Pot is better than chemicals if it works for you NoSheep Jan 2023 #20

The Active RobinA Jan 2023 #94

I used to date this chemistry teacher Tree Lady Jan 2023 #95

In the book, Harry writes extensively about finding the therapist who finally helped him. madaboutharry Jan 2023 #25

I think Harry and Megan are breaking through the bullshit. NoSheep Jan 2023 #18

The crown and Noble privilege should be abolished IbogaProject Jan 2023 #27

Nobel? Do they get prizes for this? Hekate Jan 2023 #31

I haven't read the book and don't ever plan to. But I like Harry, he is like a doc03 Jan 2023 #33

People have really taken sides. madaboutharry Jan 2023 #34

Wow.. TY for this Further Review! nt Cha Jan 2023 #41

Harry also speaks very lovingly of Charles BlueLucy Jan 2023 #56

The ghostwriter did a really good job. GoneOffShore Jan 2023 #68

Harry doesn't accept any responsibility for anything in his life ripcord Jan 2023 #40

I must be reading a different book. madaboutharry Jan 2023 #42

You might want to read it again ripcord Jan 2023 #45

He mentions they thought it was funny, he doesn't blame them. madaboutharry Jan 2023 #49

Did you read the book? BlueLucy Jan 2023 #58

Good for Harry! tavernier Jan 2023 #43

Has no one given thought to that cow Grey Jan 2023 #44

I have not yet.. but I plan on it.. from the outakes Peacetrain Jan 2023 #80

Something I have wondered is questionseverything Jan 2023 #59

Was that income? Was it a gift? How is a wedding, no matter how over the top, a taxable thing? Hekate Jan 2023 #61

Idk questionseverything Jan 2023 #72

WTAF none of this works anything like you are saying obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #78

Someone is just pulling things out of thin air Hekate Jan 2023 #88

Specifically what claim have I made that you are disputing? questionseverything Jan 2023 #111

A wedding isn't income to the bride and the groom. It's a party paid for by whoever pnwmom Jan 2023 #125

Usually a wedding or huge party would be for a dependent questionseverything Jan 2023 #140

Not anymore it isn't. Many parents foot the bill for the party pnwmom Jan 2023 #143

Adult children are generally way under the 12 million limit questionseverything Jan 2023 #146

Why is this so hard for you to understand? The fancy wedding wasn't a gift to the couple. pnwmom Jan 2023 #147

Since when is a wedding considered taxable income? madaboutharry Jan 2023 #64

Since I am not familiar with multi million dollar gifts, questionseverything Jan 2023 #76

You do not pay taxes onw eddings -- just stop obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #79

If she gave up her citizenship ( as was the plan) she wouldn't owe taxes questionseverything Jan 2023 #82

why should she give it up ? treestar Jan 2023 #106

That was the plan when she was going to be a working royal questionseverything Jan 2023 #109

Source? Link? Hekate Jan 2023 #112

whose plan? treestar Jan 2023 #152

LOL BuddhaGirl Jan 2023 #160

It's just what I heard back then questionseverything Jan 2023 #163

She didn't give up her citizenship, but NO ONE owes gift taxes on their weddings. pnwmom Jan 2023 #126

Which was a benefit and boon to The Firm treestar Jan 2023 #153

Right. And I forgot to mention that pnwmom Jan 2023 #154

Ha so the queen owes the gift tax? Even better questionseverything Jan 2023 #168

The US gift tax applies to US citizens who make large gifts. pnwmom Jan 2023 #170

Thin air Hekate Jan 2023 #89

WTF, Many people have weddings in different countries. Since when are Weddings taxed like that ? JI7 Jan 2023 #66

If you won the mexican trip on a game show, you for sure pay taxes on it questionseverything Jan 2023 #73

WTF ? How is this anything like winning a trip to mexico or anywhere else on a game show ? JI7 Jan 2023 #74

That's because the game show would hand you a check. No one gave Harry and Meghan pnwmom Jan 2023 #127

Thin, thin air Hekate Jan 2023 #90

I couldn't help but wonder, are weddings income tax? At least half of it? betsuni Jan 2023 #67

Air's very thin where he gets these comments Hekate Jan 2023 #92

Weddings are not subject to income tax. When you throw a party -- which is what a wedding is - pnwmom Jan 2023 #128

Yes I know. I was being sarcastic. betsuni Jan 2023 #138

Why in the world would she pay taxes on it???? obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #77

Usually the cost would be way more under the 12.06 million dollar limit questionseverything Jan 2023 #81

I think someone's just trawling for reactions Hekate Jan 2023 #93

This is a ridiculous ask of her Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #108

Her half was nearly 20 million.... I am kind of surprised at du questionseverything Jan 2023 #110

This wedding obsession borders on lunacy. Google is your good true friend. Hekate Jan 2023 #114

If they're receiving income Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #148

Of course not! That fancy wedding was a production of the Firm, by the Firm, and for the Firm- pnwmom Jan 2023 #123

You want Meghan to pay American gldstwmn Jan 2023 #130

Maybe not on wedding but the yearly allowance I think would of been fair questionseverything Jan 2023 #132

If she wasn't paying proper taxes, I'm sure the media hounding her would have reported that. pnwmom Jan 2023 #134

The press wouldn't know about her taxes, they aren't public questionseverything Jan 2023 #141

With the way the UK press had been leaking about her, there's no reason to think pnwmom Jan 2023 #142

Their last two deals were $120million so they both will be paying plenty questionseverything Jan 2023 #144

Yes, they will. And their accountants will fill out the forms. nt pnwmom Jan 2023 #145

You don't think taxes were paid on her yearly allowance? gldstwmn Jan 2023 #166

I don't think royals pay in Britain questionseverything Jan 2023 #167

I have not read the book or any of the wnylib Jan 2023 #60

331? Yikes how many pages is the whole book? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #62

410 pages madaboutharry Jan 2023 #63

Wow, but good read? Is he a good author? Visions of Obama's Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #131

K&R betsuni Jan 2023 #65

Pretty awful - the writing is 3rd rate romance novel level, with lots of whining. GoneOffShore Jan 2023 #85

So you actually read it Hekate Jan 2023 #87

Made it through the first 4 chapters. It's badly written. GoneOffShore Jan 2023 #96

None of that is true obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #91

Alrighthy then. GoneOffShore Jan 2023 #97

Not my experience at all BuddhaGirl Jan 2023 #98

No it isn't obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #101

There should be scores of negative reviews from the UK. I'd be very surprised pnwmom Jan 2023 #137

I am not pinkstarburst Jan 2023 #99

lol Charles already released a 400-page memoir trashing Harry's mom obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #102

Why on Earth would Meghan subject herself to a run for office? And are you a Californian living in... Hekate Jan 2023 #113

Hmm...yeah, I think so. Iggo Jan 2023 #124

You can't be much of a Democrat, if you would switch sides because pnwmom Jan 2023 #129

Well to be fair you're only getting his Luciferous Jan 2023 #119

I've ordered it and it must be in gldstwmn Jan 2023 #122

Harry and Meghan Deminpenn Jan 2023 #149

Well okay ... but they are celebrities in their own right FakeNoose Jan 2023 #156

Then be celebrities Deminpenn Jan 2023 #162

Harry doesn't want to be estranged from all his relatives -- as human beings. pnwmom Jan 2023 #165

I haven't read the book but I've seen the many interviews. hamsterjill Jan 2023 #169