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101. Really, have you admonished the Corporate Lobbyists who have already descended on DC

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:01 PM

Nov 2012

who have no intention of waiting to get what they want?

Doesn't matter, we Democrats have learned that we cannot wait and I am happy to see the Unions, Bernie Sanders, SS advocacy groups and dozens of other Liberal Organizations forming a coalition to stop the Grand Bargain. Obama has huge support to remove any mention of SS from negotiations about the deficit now. He also has the support of over 80% of the American people.

We won, and just like the Corporate Lobbyists there is no time to waste.

Btw, what are YOU concerned about? Are you afraid that Obama might betray those who elected him? I believe he knows why we supported him because we let him know, Liberals, Democrats. If you thought that DU was any representation of what was told to those seeking election, lol, did you really think people would be silent about these important issues?

I think the President understands why he got our support and as he said himself, he made the mistake in his first term of trying to negotiate with Republicans, rather than with the American people.

So I'm not worried, why are you? Do you not trust him?

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Glenn Greenwald has seen the future, and it is depressingly familiar. [View all] MadHound Nov 2012 OP

''One hopes that things won't turn out this way,...''' Whisp Nov 2012 #1

Any comment on the article itself, or are you just specializing in snark today? n/t MadHound Nov 2012 #3

What track record over the past 4 years? He hasn't touched SS & doesn't plan to. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #111

Yeah, but he's going to do it any day now ... Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #125

Our little ray of sunshine! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #30

I'm worried about this too. alarimer Nov 2012 #2

+1. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #4

First of all it hasn't been 24 hours... one_voice Nov 2012 #5

So, do you want to see a rise in the retirement age, MadHound Nov 2012 #8

You go on and get on top of... one_voice Nov 2012 #24

So we should let our leaders do as they please with our money? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #40

Really? one day... one_voice Nov 2012 #57

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #121

That's it, kick back, enjoy. MadHound Nov 2012 #41

I don't need your permisson... one_voice Nov 2012 #62

LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Oh, you poor, poor baby, you're tired. MadHound Nov 2012 #67

My dad didn't come home from the one_voice Nov 2012 #70

And I was out there at the age of nine, fighting to get all the soldiers home, MadHound Nov 2012 #78

Did you read my post... one_voice Nov 2012 #96

Snark doesn't become you, Madhound. MineralMan Nov 2012 #92

From one of those who were not WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #99

+++++ Whisp Nov 2012 #37

Be even funnier when retirement age rises and SS is linked to a chained CPI. MadHound Nov 2012 #42

sure, I'm all for that and a bag of chips too! Whisp Nov 2012 #46

Unreal... one_voice Nov 2012 #64

Hey, there's only one way to get things done in this political system of ours, MadHound Nov 2012 #69

well, we all thank you so much for single handedly re-electing President Obama Whisp Nov 2012 #79

Nah. It's more like a shopping cart with a flat spot on one wheel. MineralMan Nov 2012 #95

We intend to all be squeaky wheels and despite what a few on DU seem to think, we never sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #115

Technically it hasn't even been 24 hours ZenLefty Nov 2012 #7

Tell that to the Corporate Lobbyists who don't wait one minute before descending on sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #84

Sure, I'll tell them next time I bump into them at the grocery store. ZenLefty Nov 2012 #102

You don't have to bump into them, you could write an OP, eg, you could make some sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #108

Why does a libertarian, who defends racists and supports Citizens United & Gary Johnson..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #6

Aside from the critique of the messenger, MadHound Nov 2012 #10

"Aside" from the fact that "the messenger" sucks? I think that about covers it. No cred. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #13

Ah, so you're one of those people who judges a book by its cover, MadHound Nov 2012 #15

tarheel didn't say he looked like a libertarian, but that he SUPPORTED gary johnson JI7 Nov 2012 #21

And you know what, none of that addresses the issues that Greenwald brings up in this piece. MadHound Nov 2012 #29

How do you propose he force John Boehner to fully fund the Congressional Progressive geek tragedy Nov 2012 #28

Umm, does that have anything to do with the issues brought up in the article? MadHound Nov 2012 #31

Sure. The Republicans still have significant power that has not been undone. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #36

If only GG were the only one I hated. So many people....So little time. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #55

Yes, namely that you don't want to discuss issues, MadHound Nov 2012 #56

If by messenger, you mean GG? Then fuck "the messenger". Racist,..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #66

So the question remains, MadHound Nov 2012 #73

actually i would like to know if Glenn Greenwald is a libertarian on social programs CreekDog Nov 2012 #17

Only the ones that directly affect him personally. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #51

"The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day." joshcryer Nov 2012 #120

intentions matter, if this guy supported Gary Johnson he has no crediblity on this JI7 Nov 2012 #19

So, ignore the name on the masthead, MadHound Nov 2012 #23

Yep. That's 100% fact. He thinks the Republicans will "work with Obama." joshcryer Nov 2012 #118

That was fast! Scurrilous Nov 2012 #9

Well, considering that the fight over the Grand Bargain is staring us in the face, MadHound Nov 2012 #12

Hope not RobertEarl Nov 2012 #11

Obama doesn't pass budgets--Congress does. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #25

I'm afraid that between Steps One and Two, there will be a Big Event.... Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #14

I seriously doubt that will happen, MadHound Nov 2012 #16

Why? They've already announced that they want hard assets for more loans... Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #65

Oh please. What will China do with all its foreign exchange in U.S. $ if it does not coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #116

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #18

I bask in nothing WhoIsNumberNone Nov 2012 #20

Shorter Glenn Greenwald: Republicans don't control the House if you close your eyes geek tragedy Nov 2012 #22

So you honestly think that Obama and the Democrats don't have political capital now? MadHound Nov 2012 #26

Sure, they have capital. But capital is no replacement for institutional power. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #33

So, since they have capital, MadHound Nov 2012 #34

Absolutely get the best deal possible. The real question is what kind of deal is possible. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #39

No, his oppenent is a Republican party in decline, MadHound Nov 2012 #44

Obama needs to get a better deal than last time. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #45

Actually, we don't. MadHound Nov 2012 #49

Republicans would rather see the military cuts than see taxes go up on the rich. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #50

That's where that political capital thing come in, MadHound Nov 2012 #52

Resoundingly rejected? We won 50-48. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #68

Let's talk 'real institutional power dynamics' here. The Senate coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #122

Republicans lost seats in the House and the Senate and they lost the WH again. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #43

Winning means that Boehner's negotiating with Obama instead of Romney. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #48

Republicans lost several of their most rabid anti-SS gang. They got the message and now is sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #71

The bully pulpit is no match for the Speaker's Gavel. geek tragedy Nov 2012 #77

Actually we've seen, time and again, the power of the bully pulpit, MadHound Nov 2012 #81

He's never used it with any effectiveness. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #97

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1. Tell us how the President overrides that. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #82

They were talking about the Grand Bargain coming down the pipe on... Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #27

I just can't imagine that scenario. xfundy Nov 2012 #32

Greenwald's agenda is to trash Obama and the Dems in hopes of driving folk towards libertarianism struggle4progress Nov 2012 #35

Another one who wants to shoot the messenger. MadHound Nov 2012 #38

Not everything, that GG utters, is fact: GG spews propaganda, with a definite objective. struggle4progress Nov 2012 #60

But the fact of the matter is that SS changes are on the bargaining table, MadHound Nov 2012 #63

And how about Major Unions and tons of Liberal Groups who agree with Greenwald? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #54

GG started off as a corporate lawyer, made enough to retire, then claimed he had been a civil rights struggle4progress Nov 2012 #72

That wasn't the question. What about the Unions and Bernie Sanders and all the Liberal sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #74

My position on GG is that he's full of shit struggle4progress Nov 2012 #76

That wasn't the question. What is your opinion on the coalition being formed sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #93

Statement of AFSCME Pres. Lee Saunders on the 2012 Election struggle4progress Nov 2012 #80

Exactly "the voters have given a mandate to protect vital programs like Medicare, sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #100

"depressingly familiar" DemocratsForProgress Nov 2012 #47

+1 AtomicKitten Nov 2012 #53

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #90

At this point in the festivities Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #58

So, are you looking forward to a higher retirement age, and SS linked to a chained CPI? MadHound Nov 2012 #61

Greenwald sets up Straw Man, Madhound runs around the yard with it. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #88

No, actually it is an approaching reality, MadHound Nov 2012 #89

Yeah, it's been an 'approaching reality' Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #114

Projection, you haz it. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #127

You've been playing that same tune Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #103

You're way out of line. Obama's victory means nothing, NADA, zilch, if the coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #123

And as soon as that happens Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #124

Unsourced speculations as to what the Pres will do FrenchieCat Nov 2012 #59

He now plans an evil compromise with Rs that will force us to eat lil chilluns! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #75

Not, not eat little children, MadHound Nov 2012 #83

Greenwald eats chihuahuas!!! Where's PETA? DevonRex Nov 2012 #86

Greenwald. LOL... SidDithers Nov 2012 #85

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #87

Sure you did... SidDithers Nov 2012 #98

Isn't that special. Less than 24 hours after the election MineralMan Nov 2012 #91

Hey, I'm certain that Obama, Boehner, and every other politician in DC, MadHound Nov 2012 #94

Really, have you admonished the Corporate Lobbyists who have already descended on DC sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #101

"I think the President understands why he got our support " MineralMan Nov 2012 #104

Was that comment misdirected? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #109

Sorry. I have reduced my number of replies in subthreads to just one from now on. MineralMan Nov 2012 #110

Lol, promises, promises! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #112

Obama haters are so November 5th jpak Nov 2012 #105

MadHound!!! Your thread before the election gave me hope, and this one gives me joy!! Well done! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #106

I doubt he will do that. Progressives would leave the Democratic Party by the hundreds of thousands Zorra Nov 2012 #107

I allow the prognostications of libertarians, xenophobes and racists LanternWaste Nov 2012 #113

Glen Greenwald thinks the Republicans will work with the President. joshcryer Nov 2012 #117

Thanks for posting. You most definitely do not deserve the snarks and coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #119

+1 Agreed. Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #126

Yep. Madhoud does not deserve these attacks nor does Glenn Greenwald Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #128