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In reply to the discussion: Good Cops are out there too! [View all]NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)27. Not Sure I Want a World with No Laws
Why does this mean he's a "good" cop or even a "good" person? Is that all it takes? Someone apologizing when they take your freedom away and put you in a system designed to extract everything it can from you, including your life? That's a grim way of looking at the world; no thanks.
Did you look at the officers demeanor, listen to his tone, hear his words. The guy broke the law. There are consequences. We are a society of laws. If crimes had no victims and only affected the criminal that would be great. But they DO have victims. Thats why we have laws. Laws that need to be enforced. Yes. If you commit a crime you lose your freedom. Im all for it. Extract everything from you? Well if you commit crimes and end up in prison youre going to struggle when/if you get out. Actions have consequences.
As an abolitionist, I believe we can live and thrive without cops.
Ill just use the short example of what happened in Minneapolis after the George Floyd killing. The cops basically stood down. The only ones celebrating the lack of police were the criminals. The innocent civilians sure didnt seem to like it. They even put disbanding the police and creating a public safety department on the ballot it failed.
Have a read These folks werent exactly thriving.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-policing-minneapolis/
The concept of a state police force is rooted in protecting private property, slavecatching patrols, and controlling political dissidents/immigrants/activists. There are many, many written works that describe the various ways cops uphold white supremacy.
Im sure the Pharaoh who created the first police force in around 3000 BCE had other motives. Over time laws have been passed that were unjust. They oppressed people. The courts even upheld them. Eventually they fall by the wayside. It has taken too long, but it is what it is.
A great read about the history of policing.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/The-history-of-policing-in-the-West
Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes their actions are completely lawless. So, then what?
Then a system should be put in place to deal with lawlessness. Thats where reform comes in. Ive never said everything is great and police dont need to change anything. Im happy to admit there is room for improvement. Are you willing to acknowledge there is a need for laws and police? Or as an abolitionist do you favor a wild west society, with no laws and police, where people do whatever they want? What do we do innocent are victimized? What kind of world would that be? The Purge . Every day.
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LivePD is straight up copaganda. I encourage you to listen to the "Running from COPS" podcast.
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2023
#3
"white power structure", can you count on more than one hand neighborhoods that ARE mostly
uponit7771
Feb 2023
#19
If the system itself upholds white supremacy, it doesn't matter who's at the levers -- it will
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2023
#26
It's where I said "I encourage you to listen to the Running From COPS podcast" in reply No. 3.
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2023
#40
I agree, but other than the corruption being less overt, what has changed since Serpico?
Kennah
Feb 2023
#12
That phrase needs to be captioned under every picture of Uvalde and the Uvalde police
ck4829
Feb 2023
#37
There are good black and brown people out there too, one too many PDs should know this
uponit7771
Feb 2023
#21
Makes me wonder if you would have posted this if YOUR brother, son, dad or uncle
Ferrets are Cool
Feb 2023
#24
County Sheriffs advertising for new hires on the radio say "99% of cops are outstanding citizens".
usonian
Feb 2023
#25
When there are more abortion bans, just remember who will be breaking down doors in the middle of
ck4829
Feb 2023
#35
Thanks for posting. A couple SF cops saved Paul Pelosi's life. I doubt he or Nancy view them as pigs
jalan48
Feb 2023
#50
But ALL cops are steeped in poison--a system designed to administer white/male supremacy.
Sky Jewels
Feb 2023
#67
Here's 2 articles for you to read and contemplate, 1 by an ex-cop, 1 by an average citizen...
Hekate
Feb 2023
#76
They only think they are good. Unless they are actively trying to get rid of bad cops
ZonkerHarris
Feb 2023
#85