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NowISeetheLight

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27. Not Sure I Want a World with No Laws
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 05:36 AM
Feb 2023
“Why does this mean he's a "good" cop or even a "good" person? Is that all it takes? Someone apologizing when they take your freedom away and put you in a system designed to extract everything it can from you, including your life? That's a grim way of looking at the world; no thanks.”


Did you look at the officers demeanor, listen to his tone, hear his words. The guy broke the law. There are consequences. We are a society of laws. If crimes had no victims and only affected the criminal that would be great. But they DO have victims. That’s why we have laws. Laws that need to be enforced. Yes. If you commit a crime you lose your freedom. I’m all for it. Extract everything from you? Well if you commit crimes and end up in prison you’re going to struggle when/if you get out. Actions have consequences.

“As an abolitionist, I believe we can live and thrive without cops.”


I’ll just use the short example of what happened in Minneapolis after the George Floyd killing. The cops basically “stood down”. The only ones celebrating the lack of police were the criminals. The innocent civilians sure didn’t seem to like it. They even put disbanding the police and creating a “public safety department” on the ballot… it failed.

Have a read… These folks weren’t exactly “thriving”.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-policing-minneapolis/

“The concept of a state police force is rooted in protecting private property, slavecatching patrols, and controlling political dissidents/immigrants/activists. There are many, many written works that describe the various ways cops uphold white supremacy. “


I’m sure the Pharaoh who created the first police force in around 3000 BCE had other motives. Over time laws have been passed that were unjust. They oppressed people. The courts even upheld them. Eventually they fall by the wayside. It has taken too long, but it is what it is.

A great read about the history of policing.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/The-history-of-policing-in-the-West

“Sometimes. Sometimes not. Sometimes their actions are completely lawless. So, then what? ”


Then a system should be put in place to deal with lawlessness. That’s where reform comes in. I’ve never said everything is great and police don’t need to change anything. I’m happy to admit there is room for improvement. Are you willing to acknowledge there is a need for laws and police? Or as an abolitionist do you favor a “wild west” society, with no laws and police, where people do whatever they want? What do we do innocent are victimized? What kind of world would that be? The Purge…. Every day.

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Good Cops are out there too! [View all] NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 OP
I agree and will add.. EX500rider Feb 2023 #1
Good point. Perspective. Hortensis Feb 2023 #48
Duplicate. 👍. Hortensis Feb 2023 #49
Yes, it is like plane crashes get into the news treestar Feb 2023 #80
Good cops? WmChris Feb 2023 #2
Some Are Trying NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #7
So would good Mayors and Council members... brooklynite Feb 2023 #11
True to a serious degree, but if we Hortensis Feb 2023 #52
That is getting to be an excuse treestar Feb 2023 #81
LivePD is straight up copaganda. I encourage you to listen to the "Running from COPS" podcast. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #3
It's the Truth NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #8
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #15
Not Sure I Want a World with No Laws NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #27
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #42
"I know what keeps me safe right now, and it's not cops." OilemFirchen Feb 2023 #59
I'm Enjoying your Viewpoint NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #63
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #71
"white power structure", can you count on more than one hand neighborhoods that ARE mostly uponit7771 Feb 2023 #19
If the system itself upholds white supremacy, it doesn't matter who's at the levers -- it will WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #26
I'll agree to a point NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #13
Again, I encourage you to listen to the podcast I mentioned. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #16
I don't see it NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #28
It's where I said "I encourage you to listen to the Running From COPS podcast" in reply No. 3. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #40
Found it NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #64
Do a Google News search for good cops who spoke up Kennah Feb 2023 #4
Things need to change NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #9
I agree, but other than the corruption being less overt, what has changed since Serpico? Kennah Feb 2023 #12
Alot has changed, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #43
Cameras are Key NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #65
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #66
If no one had videoed Derek Chauvin Mr.Bill Feb 2023 #73
Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #77
There are tough hippies too lame54 Feb 2023 #5
Funny Sticker NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #10
It wasn't hippies just standing around outside that school in Uvalde though ck4829 Feb 2023 #36
Damn straight Hekate Feb 2023 #75
Thank you Tickle Feb 2023 #6
I totally agree snowybirdie Feb 2023 #14
I'd like to think NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #29
I think that policing has changed somewhat wnylib Feb 2023 #61
🙂 Yes, 80 million mostly stable adult Democrats Hortensis Feb 2023 #70
+1 having young loved ones who are officers treestar Feb 2023 #83
"If you don't like cops, the next time you need help, call x" ruet Feb 2023 #17
Some Do... NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #30
That phrase needs to be captioned under every picture of Uvalde and the Uvalde police ck4829 Feb 2023 #37
That brings back a memory... Tom Rinaldo Feb 2023 #41
Well I'm glad the trains are running on time but you know 48656c6c6f20 Feb 2023 #18
Being a minority Keepthesoulalive Feb 2023 #20
Bingo!! Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #23
+100000 Celerity Feb 2023 #38
There are good black and brown people out there too, one too many PDs should know this uponit7771 Feb 2023 #21
Good cops save baby ducks Ponietz Feb 2023 #22
LOL +1 Emile Feb 2023 #39
Copaganda. Iggo Feb 2023 #86
Makes me wonder if you would have posted this if YOUR brother, son, dad or uncle Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #24
I'm outraged NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #32
Goes both ways... the point I think OP is making... Chakaconcarne Feb 2023 #46
County Sheriffs advertising for new hires on the radio say "99% of cops are outstanding citizens". usonian Feb 2023 #25
How to get there? NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #33
Complex, but the best bet probably is to change the culture. usonian Feb 2023 #54
K&R betsuni Feb 2023 #31
Could there be any chance the good cops know who the bad cops are? Emile Feb 2023 #34
When there are more abortion bans, just remember who will be breaking down doors in the middle of ck4829 Feb 2023 #35
This. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #44
... Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #69
Thanks...we need to be reminded of this on a regular basis here on DU. Chakaconcarne Feb 2023 #45
Sometimes a few good apples fescuerescue Feb 2023 #47
Thanks for posting. A couple SF cops saved Paul Pelosi's life. I doubt he or Nancy view them as pigs jalan48 Feb 2023 #50
The good cops aren't calling out and reporting the bad cops Arazi Feb 2023 #51
Unions are Part of the Problem NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #68
Then stop this copaganda Arazi Feb 2023 #72
I miss the unRec button n/t leftstreet Feb 2023 #53
Don't worry. DU is nothing if not, hmm how do I say this? Changeable. BlackSkimmer Feb 2023 #55
Not confusing at all. We can praise the Cap police for that day Arazi Feb 2023 #56
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This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Feb 2023 #57
Sure inthewind21 Feb 2023 #58
I hear this again and again . . . peggysue2 Feb 2023 #60
The barrel is spoiled. aocommunalpunch Feb 2023 #62
But ALL cops are steeped in poison--a system designed to administer white/male supremacy. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #67
The problem is, when the good cops are around bad cops, they do nothing ecstatic Feb 2023 #74
Here's 2 articles for you to read and contemplate, 1 by an ex-cop, 1 by an average citizen... Hekate Feb 2023 #76
Heavy sigh..., Patton French Feb 2023 #78
Good cops cover for bad cops every fucking day. Iggo Feb 2023 #82
Remember the good cop in Cleveland who killed a 12 year old Emile Feb 2023 #84
I Remember Tamar Rice NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #87
They only think they are good. Unless they are actively trying to get rid of bad cops ZonkerHarris Feb 2023 #85
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