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NowISeetheLight

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63. I'm Enjoying your Viewpoint
Thu Feb 2, 2023, 01:52 PM
Feb 2023
"Under the abolitionist model, cops don't just disappear and the world is perfect. Abolitionism uses the resources we pour into a failed policing system and use it to invest in the community, in things we know prevent crime. Cops don't prevent crime; they react to it and often retraumatize victims. By increasing investments to meet people's needs, we decrease the "need" for cops."


I'd be willing to try an experiment. Take one of these cities where crime is rampant, dump a ton of money into programs and slowly reduce the police involvement, and see how it goes. If it works repeat it. Here in Palm Springs CA our police chief just announced a new program to combat homelessness (and the tons of crime it is causing here).

https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/contributors/valley-voice/2023/01/20/palm-springs-police-chiefs-new-aggressive-plan-on-homelessness/69822997007/

They're basically going to make sure people get resources when they want them. Then they're going to focus on the repeat offenders who are choosing the life of crime. There are some real problems here with rampant vandalism, businesses having their windows broken over and over again, drugs in the parks, etc. From the article:

"Law enforcement, limited by the legislature and courts, has de-policed out of frustration and lack of consequence. The San Diego district attorney published a study that showed the criminal group is disproportionately responsible for crime. They are 175 times more likely to be charged with robbery and 183 times more likely to be charged with burglary than other groups. The majority of homeless fall into the last two categories."

They've cut funding to "de-police" and stop locking people up yet they provided no "counter" to help people.

"You can help. For Palm Springs to experience long-term results, the effort must go beyond just enforcement. We need street-level mental health workers in Palm Springs and we currently have none. The county can fund two workers for Palm Springs to help the homeless get off the street. Palm Springs has the highest number of homeless per capita in Riverside County, so focusing here seems logical. Those who cannot grasp their peril because of drugs or mental disorders must be detained in a secured facility. The legislature must immediately create laws to enable secured detention. The city can develop resources to clean up homeless camps regularly. The amount of rubbish left behind is astonishing."

Secure detention is a real issue for some. Of course the far left are totally against this as they consider it "harrassment". The far right is all for it "lock em up". I'd like to think there is a middle ground.

A big problem isn't so much the money as the people. When I moved to CA two years ago the VA couldn't even find me a therapist or a psychiatrist. This despite the fact I'm 100% service connected for PTSD and was medically discharged from the Navy. There just weren't any. Where are all these therapists, community counselors, drug programs, etc, coming from? You can throw money at the problem but the human people just aren't there. There aren't enough doctors/teachers/cops/truck drivers/ the list goes on and on. It's only getting worse. I wish I know how to fix it. I think free or reduced college for critical occupations is a start.

"150 years of reform of one of the worst departments around, the Minneapolis Police Department, resulted in the murder of George FLoyd. At some point, we have to acknowledge that it's impossible to reform a system designed to provide the outcomes it does."


MinnesotaMonthy (Magazine) had a good article on crime in Minneapolis with the post-pandemic era. Violent crime is down for the most part. One thing they're doing is increasing police presence in some neighborhoods based on data showing where the crime is.

https://www.minnesotamonthly.com/lifestyle/what-was-behind-the-twin-cities-metros-violent-crime-spike/

"Cops are taught that they're the sheepdogs keeping away the wolves, which teaches them contempt for everyone but themselves. I know what keeps me safe right now, and it's not cops. What keeps you safe?"


I went on enough ride-alongs as a police explorer in high school and on the police reserve in three years to see the "other side". There are bad people out there and you never know what you run into. I still vividly remember Officer James Anderson of Wayzata being gunned down in 1982 at a door when he responded to a family issue. My father was a chief in a neighboring city and was one of the responding officers. I also remember him crying at home that night. Fortunately the guy shot himself and saved the government (and us citizens) the cost of a trial and incarceration.

My point is the officers do view everyone as a potential killer. Because they pop up unexpectedly and can attack at any time. It's like wandering into a crowd of pitbulls. Some could be really nice... but you never really know which one will attack you. Thinking that way is a survival mechanism.

BTW - I don't agree with everything you say but I do agree with some things. Just wanted to let youknow I appreciate your viewpoint and perspective. We all have different life experiences that influence how we view things. At the end of the day we can all learn something. You've obviously had some different experiences with police than I have and I know my experiences aren't the "norm" for everyone.

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Good Cops are out there too! [View all] NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 OP
I agree and will add.. EX500rider Feb 2023 #1
Good point. Perspective. Hortensis Feb 2023 #48
Duplicate. 👍. Hortensis Feb 2023 #49
Yes, it is like plane crashes get into the news treestar Feb 2023 #80
Good cops? WmChris Feb 2023 #2
Some Are Trying NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #7
So would good Mayors and Council members... brooklynite Feb 2023 #11
True to a serious degree, but if we Hortensis Feb 2023 #52
That is getting to be an excuse treestar Feb 2023 #81
LivePD is straight up copaganda. I encourage you to listen to the "Running from COPS" podcast. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #3
It's the Truth NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #8
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #15
Not Sure I Want a World with No Laws NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #27
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #42
"I know what keeps me safe right now, and it's not cops." OilemFirchen Feb 2023 #59
I'm Enjoying your Viewpoint NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #63
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #71
"white power structure", can you count on more than one hand neighborhoods that ARE mostly uponit7771 Feb 2023 #19
If the system itself upholds white supremacy, it doesn't matter who's at the levers -- it will WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #26
I'll agree to a point NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #13
Again, I encourage you to listen to the podcast I mentioned. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #16
I don't see it NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #28
It's where I said "I encourage you to listen to the Running From COPS podcast" in reply No. 3. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #40
Found it NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #64
Do a Google News search for good cops who spoke up Kennah Feb 2023 #4
Things need to change NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #9
I agree, but other than the corruption being less overt, what has changed since Serpico? Kennah Feb 2023 #12
Alot has changed, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #43
Cameras are Key NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #65
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #66
If no one had videoed Derek Chauvin Mr.Bill Feb 2023 #73
Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #77
There are tough hippies too lame54 Feb 2023 #5
Funny Sticker NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #10
It wasn't hippies just standing around outside that school in Uvalde though ck4829 Feb 2023 #36
Damn straight Hekate Feb 2023 #75
Thank you Tickle Feb 2023 #6
I totally agree snowybirdie Feb 2023 #14
I'd like to think NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #29
I think that policing has changed somewhat wnylib Feb 2023 #61
🙂 Yes, 80 million mostly stable adult Democrats Hortensis Feb 2023 #70
+1 having young loved ones who are officers treestar Feb 2023 #83
"If you don't like cops, the next time you need help, call x" ruet Feb 2023 #17
Some Do... NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #30
That phrase needs to be captioned under every picture of Uvalde and the Uvalde police ck4829 Feb 2023 #37
That brings back a memory... Tom Rinaldo Feb 2023 #41
Well I'm glad the trains are running on time but you know 48656c6c6f20 Feb 2023 #18
Being a minority Keepthesoulalive Feb 2023 #20
Bingo!! Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #23
+100000 Celerity Feb 2023 #38
There are good black and brown people out there too, one too many PDs should know this uponit7771 Feb 2023 #21
Good cops save baby ducks Ponietz Feb 2023 #22
LOL +1 Emile Feb 2023 #39
Copaganda. Iggo Feb 2023 #86
Makes me wonder if you would have posted this if YOUR brother, son, dad or uncle Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #24
I'm outraged NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #32
Goes both ways... the point I think OP is making... Chakaconcarne Feb 2023 #46
County Sheriffs advertising for new hires on the radio say "99% of cops are outstanding citizens". usonian Feb 2023 #25
How to get there? NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #33
Complex, but the best bet probably is to change the culture. usonian Feb 2023 #54
K&R betsuni Feb 2023 #31
Could there be any chance the good cops know who the bad cops are? Emile Feb 2023 #34
When there are more abortion bans, just remember who will be breaking down doors in the middle of ck4829 Feb 2023 #35
This. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #44
... Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #69
Thanks...we need to be reminded of this on a regular basis here on DU. Chakaconcarne Feb 2023 #45
Sometimes a few good apples fescuerescue Feb 2023 #47
Thanks for posting. A couple SF cops saved Paul Pelosi's life. I doubt he or Nancy view them as pigs jalan48 Feb 2023 #50
The good cops aren't calling out and reporting the bad cops Arazi Feb 2023 #51
Unions are Part of the Problem NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #68
Then stop this copaganda Arazi Feb 2023 #72
I miss the unRec button n/t leftstreet Feb 2023 #53
Don't worry. DU is nothing if not, hmm how do I say this? Changeable. BlackSkimmer Feb 2023 #55
Not confusing at all. We can praise the Cap police for that day Arazi Feb 2023 #56
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This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Feb 2023 #57
Sure inthewind21 Feb 2023 #58
I hear this again and again . . . peggysue2 Feb 2023 #60
The barrel is spoiled. aocommunalpunch Feb 2023 #62
But ALL cops are steeped in poison--a system designed to administer white/male supremacy. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #67
The problem is, when the good cops are around bad cops, they do nothing ecstatic Feb 2023 #74
Here's 2 articles for you to read and contemplate, 1 by an ex-cop, 1 by an average citizen... Hekate Feb 2023 #76
Heavy sigh..., Patton French Feb 2023 #78
Good cops cover for bad cops every fucking day. Iggo Feb 2023 #82
Remember the good cop in Cleveland who killed a 12 year old Emile Feb 2023 #84
I Remember Tamar Rice NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #87
They only think they are good. Unless they are actively trying to get rid of bad cops ZonkerHarris Feb 2023 #85
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