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Beastly Boy

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90. When yo fail to define justice in any meaningful way, and then claim anxiety over something
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 12:08 AM
Feb 2023

you have failed to define, what would you call it?

...Oh wait, you're absolutely right! It is not your anxiety that drives justice. That's not possible, since you never defined what you mean by justice. Truly, your anxiety is all about doubts over whether or not something you have yet to define will be carried out. Got it. That is so inconsistent with anxiety being projected onto the blank canvas of your notion of justice! Weird indeed.

I cautioned you that it it will take volumes of available overwhelming evidence to truly appreciate the merits of our justice system. I gave you just a small sample to consider. A single link to the history of SCOTUS decisions. You flatly refused to consider even this small sample. It is beyond me how a single source can possible turn into a gish gallop, but your intolerance for acknowledging evidence you yourself asked for does not create in me an obligation to abridge SCOTUS history for your convenience. It is what it is. Whether you look into my link to educate yourself, or whether you frantically gish gallop through it overwhelming yourself with perfectly well structured content (a task which appears to be exceedingly easy to accomplish), or whether you pick a tiny sample from it and fluff it up out of all proportion, or whether you dismiss it entirely on the grounds of it being exceedingly long, is up to you. It is your credibility, dispense with it as you wish. The list of SCOTUS decisions will remain unmoved in indisputable evidence, and as the end result of, fair and equal justice being applied under the law throughout our justice system. And if you ever bother to examine it, it might appear pretty peachy to you too. But obviously, I digress into musing about the impossible.

I can't help but laugh at your proposition that DOJ is a much looser, much less regulated part of our justice system. If you think that the history of SCOTUS decisions is taxing on your patience, try to spend a few months on going through all the rules that govern DOJ, not that I expect you to do anything of the sort. And that's just for starters. In addition to that, DOJ must go through that pesky court system to get any results at all. Not IN PLACE of the court system, but IN ADDITION to their other rules. It is the court system that seats grand juries, conducts trials, reaches verdicts and dispenses punishments. It doesn't occur to you that our justice system, both as an executive and a judiciary function, is designed to prevent unfair and unequal dispensation of justice. Must I really go into how this leads to a fair and equal justice? Really?

The problem with your position is that you don't suggest anything other than DOJ is the source of your anxiety. And to remain constantly anxious, you must imagine flaws in DOJ. The flaws you imagine are inevitably hypothetical, while your anxiety appears to be real. That's a glitch in the normal interplay between cause and effect. To continue on this path, which appears to be the end goal of your game, you must reject all evidence that points to your anxieties not being grounded in fact, and insist that your hypotheticals, not the facts, control the narrative.

If you continue to insist that the moon is made of cheese because it looks like it's made of cheese, who am I to keep intruding on your reality? I tried, but it appears that the moon still looks like cheese to you.

Pleasant dreams!



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When Garland punted to some back bencher it was clear the fix was in. Blues Heron Feb 2023 #1
Jack Smith is a back bencher? Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #5
I do not agree with the sentiments of this thread, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #7
It was noth about the capacity of DOJ to handle things. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #23
And, boy, did it sure stop all of those things! W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #33
DU doesn't count. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #52
Jack 48656c6c6f20 Feb 2023 #20
An Essay on Criticism bigtree Feb 2023 #30
Jack Smith was supposed to come in from The Hague & start smiting moneychangers in the Temple? Hekate Feb 2023 #55
Mahalo, Hekae.. For explaining Cha Feb 2023 #59
There are days (or in this case, nights) that really make you wonder... Hekate Feb 2023 #60
Yes, Great timing Cha Feb 2023 #68
They proceed with caution bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #2
I knew a guy that was so cautious, he never got anywhere. dem4decades Feb 2023 #8
Hey, now! These things take time! Silent3 Feb 2023 #3
... BlackSkimmer Feb 2023 #4
LOL, lot of i's to dot and t's to cross Emile Feb 2023 #6
Must be careful gab13by13 Feb 2023 #11
His need to show impartiality is to the nation and its future. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #18
The nation, be specific gab13by13 Feb 2023 #19
The nation in historical sense. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #22
Yes but democracy is expendable triron Feb 2023 #80
Huh? Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #81
I know tisis supposed to be sarcasm, but tell me: Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #10
Only took days to arrest 5 policemen in Memphis. Emile Feb 2023 #12
How many ex-presidents of the United States have ever been arrested? Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #16
Trump is not the only subject of issue. PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #27
The poster I replied to made Trump THE subject. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #31
I would start with the GOP members of Congress that requested pardons from Trump PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #36
I am struck by the phrase "crimes that eluded full recognition and punishment" Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #38
How is this for a list? PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #39
Not very impressive at all. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #42
Your work is impressive as is your spin. PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #43
From your initial post (Reply 27): Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #46
Your post is 100% true. gab13by13 Feb 2023 #13
No, my sarcasm does not "presume your significant awareness of all of the above" Silent3 Feb 2023 #21
Your sarcasm did not address the historical context of denying DOJ your benefit of doubt. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #25
Did Nixon go to jail? Dig Agnew go to jail? Silent3 Feb 2023 #32
Let's forget for a moment that Nixon received a presidential pardon and was never a target of DOJ. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #37
A war crime doesn't *have to be* handled by the International Court... Silent3 Feb 2023 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #47
Ok, if you insist. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #50
I totally reject your position on where the burden of proof lies here Silent3 Feb 2023 #74
Misplacing the burden of proof is the theme I see throughout your posts. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #76
Great court decisions like granting the presidency to Bush over Gore? Silent3 Feb 2023 #78
Let me repeat something you must have missed completely: Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #79
I didn't miss anything, I just didn't care Silent3 Feb 2023 #82
Well, color me shocked! Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #83
What can a list of court decisions prove about cases that don't even end up in court? Silent3 Feb 2023 #84
Seriously, what do the non-cases that don't end up in court prove about justice? Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #85
Don't you get the all the anxiety about Trump being brought to justice... Silent3 Feb 2023 #86
I get all the anxiety allright! Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #88
"What I don't get is the insistence that anxiety drives justice." Silent3 Feb 2023 #89
When yo fail to define justice in any meaningful way, and then claim anxiety over something Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #90
What kind of "meaningful way" are you looking for? Silent3 Feb 2023 #91
Talking about justice without defining what it means to you is pretty ridiculous on its face. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #92
Unless it needs to be a deeply technical discussion (hint: no it doesn't)... Silent3 Feb 2023 #93
There IS a common meaning of the idea of justice Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #94
"FOLLOWING THE RULE OF LAW WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR." Silent3 Feb 2023 #95
I see, you are now willing to go along with the universally accepted definition for the rule of law, Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #96
So, whatever the DoJ has decided to prosecute (or not) in the past... Silent3 Feb 2023 #97
Bingo! You are slowly getting there. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #98
So, Al Capone's involvement with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre is a "non-event"... Silent3 Feb 2023 #99
I can't believe it, you're right again! Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #100
So, if getting Al Capone on taxes didn't work out.... Silent3 Feb 2023 #101
I thought we covered this before. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #102
Yes, we covered this before, and you've now made the same ridiculous interpretation Silent3 Feb 2023 #103
All that is indeed evidence iemanja Feb 2023 #58
I agree. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #62
Give a gold star to Garland iemanja Feb 2023 #64
Ask Stewart Rhodes and Enrique Tarrio Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #67
The evidence for prosecuting Trump would be clear. iemanja Feb 2023 #57
The evidence is but the prerequisite for an indictment. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #61
But you yourself have shown that precedents do matter iemanja Feb 2023 #63
Context matters. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #65
None of the critics care about Garland's "performance or expertise" iemanja Feb 2023 #66
That's the problem, isn't it? Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #69
Since when is it a citizen's job to praise administration officials? iemanja Feb 2023 #70
Since when is it a citizen's job to bash administration officials? Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #71
Criticism is not bashing. It's democracy iemanja Feb 2023 #72
Unfounded criticism that doesn't end is bashing. It's not democracy. And it's repugnant. Beastly Boy Feb 2023 #73
Yeah, we don't want to rush this. Lancero Feb 2023 #15
why would he specifically treestar Feb 2023 #9
OMG, that is the #1 consideration for an institutionalist. gab13by13 Feb 2023 #14
I don't see that E Jean Carroll's suit has anything to do with it treestar Feb 2023 #24
Yawn... brooklynite Feb 2023 #17
Something's got to give. Keep this monstrous POS from running in 2024! Initech Feb 2023 #26
there are grand juries gathering evidence, taking depositions, questioning witnesses bigtree Feb 2023 #28
It would make his job much easier for sure and also boost the, "It's time to move on for the good jalan48 Feb 2023 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Feb 2023 #34
it's normally a disparaging term used to slur men or boys thought to have characteristics of women bigtree Feb 2023 #40
It's not a good strategy Mad_Machine76 Feb 2023 #35
He's not. brooklynite Feb 2023 #41
Hope is not a viable strategy. NT Patton French Feb 2023 #45
We can't hope away this problem. Initech Feb 2023 #48
Don't give him any ideas. He needs to be prosecuted and convicted. LiberalFighter Feb 2023 #49
OMG.. that is fucking all. Cha Feb 2023 #51
It's a helluva thread, isn't it? Hekate Feb 2023 #53
lol. there are some rational Cha Feb 2023 #54
See my post re smiting moneychangers in the Temple of Law Hekate Feb 2023 #56
Wow we are really reaching to the bottom of the barrel Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2023 #75
Lady justice with her scales and sword is blindfolded. Prairie_Seagull Feb 2023 #77
I don't take issue with the sentiment of your post at all. I agree with it. However, Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #87
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