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15. While rightly acknowledging the outrage,
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 02:44 PM
Feb 2023

Saying "Fuck your thoughts and prayers" is no more effective than the thoughts and prayers. There is a law in place that may prevented this shooting. Charges were filed but...

I posted this back in November-

We’re taking an ostrich approach to enforcing gun laws — with deadly results

The Colorado Springs LGBTQ+ nightclub shooting shows the limits of red-flag laws and the need for multiple approaches to prevent mass shootings. In 2021, the suspect in this shooting was arrested after reportedly threatening violence with a bomb, “multiple weapons” and ammunition. The threat was serious enough that police evacuated neighbors. Still, law enforcement did not seek a red-flag order, perhaps because the county commission had declared the county to be a Second Amendment sanctuary.

States such as Colorado with red-flag laws clearly need to use them more, especially where there is violent hate speech. The 31 states that do not have red-flag laws should pass them immediately. But, as a supplement to red-flag laws, we should empower law enforcement to prevent mass shootings by removing firearms from people who are prohibited from possessing firearms without a red-flag order.

The St. Louis school shooting in October illustrates. Just nine days before the deadly rampage, police said the shooter’s mother called 911 and asked them to remove her troubled son’s AR-style rifle. The police declined to do so, explaining that they did not have “clear authority” to confiscate the rifle that day because Missouri does not have a red-flag law. But unbeknownst to the officers, the shooter was committing a crime simply by possessing the firearm.

We know gun possession was a crime because earlier that month the shooter failed a federal instant background check. Licensed gun dealers in every state must run a background check to see if would-be purchasers fall into any of the federal or state prohibited categories. But bizarrely, police are not allowed to use the background check system, even when they have good reason to suspect that a person standing right in front of them is in illegal possession of a firearm. Blindfolding the police in this way likely contributed to the St. Louis tragedy and may lead to more gun deaths until the policy is changed.

In many cases the tools are there but either go unused or are blocked.
Yep. FM123 Feb 2023 #1
Good for him! I'm glad some elected officials are pushing back against (100% worthless) prayers. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #2
The "thoughts and prayers" response.... SergeStorms Feb 2023 #5
Exactly. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #17
Feelings Matter. czarjak Feb 2023 #3
America is a GUN ... aggiesal Feb 2023 #4
Dayum! calimary Feb 2023 #9
Feb 17, 2016: British poet Brian Bilston, aka the "poet laureate of Twitter" tweeted it NullTuples Feb 2023 #12
Thanks! I'll check. calimary Feb 2023 #23
Here are a couple of links. ... aggiesal Feb 2023 #16
Excellent! Thanks! calimary Feb 2023 #20
Check this one - from a friend malaise Feb 2023 #30
This. NewHendoLib Feb 2023 #10
Bowling for Columbine - Happiness Is a Warm Gun montage (Warning: Graphic) GGoss Feb 2023 #13
K&R Boomerproud Feb 2023 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Boomerproud Feb 2023 #19
Ever hear about the guy who prayed every single day to win the lottery? JMCKUSICK Feb 2023 #6
I've been saying that for years. Aristus Feb 2023 #7
That's their plan IronLionZion Feb 2023 #14
Don't wanna hear about your thoughts and prayers. calimary Feb 2023 #8
sorry if this is getting old the last decade but MSU and UM support 18 NRA talk radio stations certainot Feb 2023 #11
I've noticed crossover between RW talk radio hosts and sports broadcasters, too. maxsolomon Feb 2023 #22
imo a lot of republican dysfunction and fracturing relates to his absence. they miss him big time certainot Feb 2023 #27
May they never find an adequate replacement. maxsolomon Feb 2023 #28
Well, the important part is you found a way to feel superior Act_of_Reparation Feb 2023 #25
really.... you keep up the thoughts and prayers eh? certainot Feb 2023 #26
That's a very nuanced position you've taken. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2023 #29
it's beyond me how you get to your initial comment. certainot Feb 2023 #31
How about the fundamental qualities of basic human decency? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2023 #33
Post removed Post removed Feb 2023 #34
While rightly acknowledging the outrage, sarisataka Feb 2023 #15
Kudos to Rep. Ranjeev Puri for saying what must be said Hekate Feb 2023 #21
+1 Mr. Sparkle Feb 2023 #24
Today's mass shooting is in El Paso. dsharp88 Feb 2023 #32
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