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Sancho

(9,069 posts)
23. People Control, Not Gun Control
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 08:55 PM
Feb 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
The parent responsible should still go to jail . . . Journeyman Feb 2023 #1
The parents went grocery shopping and left a toddler home Meadowoak Feb 2023 #2
There was a 16-year old in charge of the kids ac. to the NBC story Wicked Blue Feb 2023 #3
A 16 year old is OK to leave with toddlers. maxsolomon Feb 2023 #5
When our daughter was 14, she babysat a 2 year old. madinmaryland Feb 2023 #6
The sixteen year old is going to go through hell, another life destroyed, even without any charges. enough Feb 2023 #7
Exactly. Her life is forever changed for the worse. kairos12 Feb 2023 #67
The Monster Is Real old as dirt Feb 2023 #4
So true and so sad. mia Feb 2023 #20
America's firearm addiction is a serious sickness. Initech Feb 2023 #8
The father was a state corrections officer to boot NickB79 Feb 2023 #9
And that's why they'll bend over backwards to avoid charging him. Iggo Feb 2023 #33
Probably Rebl2 Feb 2023 #40
I don't think he had any training on the safe storage of guns at home. Kaleva Feb 2023 #39
very sad BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 2023 #10
I feel bad for the babysitter. I'm sure that person had no idea an unsecure gun was in the house. patphil Feb 2023 #11
The Babysitter Was Their Daughter nt SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #14
I didn't see that in the article. patphil Feb 2023 #56
I Read It In A Different Article SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #59
Wait inthewind21 Feb 2023 #12
I Could Make A Comment About This, But I Won't nt SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #13
I think you just did StoolPigeon Feb 2023 #19
For fear of inciting discord SpamWyzer Feb 2023 #49
Violations Of Safe Storage Of Firearm Is A 2nd Degree Misdemeanor SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #15
The parent should go to prison. onecaliberal Feb 2023 #16
Seems Unlikely Given The Way Sheriff Was Talking SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #21
But a drunk parent driving with their kid is negligent and gets their kids taken. onecaliberal Feb 2023 #22
There You Go, Being Logical SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #25
There are so many places that I will never visit or spend money. The list is growing each day. onecaliberal Feb 2023 #66
All semi-autos should not have a round in the chamber until ready to fire. multigraincracker Feb 2023 #17
I agree. Kaleva Feb 2023 #37
In cowboy movies, the guns were hung over a door or window, which is too high for a toddler or most demigoddess Feb 2023 #42
The ammo for my father's gun, a lever action 30-30, was on a top shelf in the pantry. Kaleva Feb 2023 #51
Solid Point ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #44
I'm grateful my family Cha Feb 2023 #18
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Feb 2023 #23
People control, as in the American people as a group are too stupid... Iggo Feb 2023 #29
True story! Artcatt Feb 2023 #55
Spare Me That Horseshit SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #30
You apparently need to learn more about horseshit...here's a start. Sancho Feb 2023 #36
State militias as in slave patrols? phylny Feb 2023 #61
Read the book...it is an accurate scholarly history by an informed lawyer. Sancho Feb 2023 #63
It wouldn't bother me, as a gun owner, if any or all of your suggestions were enacted into law. Kaleva Feb 2023 #47
Simply make it more difficult for dangerous people to easily possess guns... Sancho Feb 2023 #53
This Gun Owner Wasn't Dangerous SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #57
A toddler with a gun is dangerous in my view...and should not possess a gun. Sancho Feb 2023 #60
The way he handled his guns made him dangerous Kaleva Feb 2023 #65
". . . the parents were out grocery shopping at the time of the incident. ' AverageOldGuy Feb 2023 #24
16 Year Old Daughter Left In Charge SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #32
Kid dead, family destroyed. 😔nt Javaman Feb 2023 #26
But hey, they're safe. Iggo Feb 2023 #28
but double Florida Freedumb points earned Celerity Feb 2023 #48
FREEDOM !!! Iggo Feb 2023 #27
This⬆️ ybbor Feb 2023 #34
This Again! SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #58
Quit the blame game: our society values gunz over babies lindysalsagal Feb 2023 #31
The notion that the parents don't need further punishment PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2023 #35
May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Feb 2023 #38
Who leaves a three year old home alone??? AZLD4Candidate Feb 2023 #41
16 Year Old Daughter Was There ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #45
All good in FL. No rules, no worries. Move along. Tots and Pears. Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #43
prosecute these negligent parents! barbtries Feb 2023 #46
In DeSatan land Traildogbob Feb 2023 #50
I can't post my main thoughts on this .. but I can ramble Bo Zarts Feb 2023 #52
MAGAt-infested Red county in MAGAt-infested Red DeathSentence Floriduh, I doubt much will be done Celerity Feb 2023 #54
I used to give good handgun lockboxes as baby shower presents. SYFROYH Feb 2023 #62
OMG more senseless death! Of a child!! AllyCat Feb 2023 #64
I don't think gun humpers even care. Their freedom to leftyladyfrommo Feb 2023 #68
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