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141. Do you have any idea what it entails to be involved in Politics?

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 05:07 PM

Dec 2011

Try running for even dog catcher in San Francisco California. The only way your name will get on a ballot as a Democrat is if Diane Feinstein approves of you.

Politics is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the MIC, Big Media, and The brokers at the top of both Corporate-Owned Political Parties.

If it was possible to change thing through politics, at this point in the game, people wouldn't be out in the police-patrolled streets, breathing in pepper spray, and getting arrested.

I am speaking as someone who ran for office, and got little support for my running from people who were Democrats, and people who were top notch party members. I got plenty of support from independents and ever Republicans.

What was the major platform of my election efforts in Sausalito California? An Anti-pesticide program.

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Many of us are still going to protest. Some might not like our "tactics". [View all] mmonk Dec 2011 OP

Absolutely. We've tried playing nice, writing letters, voting, going to town-halls. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #1

Yes. I have worked it on the inside and have done the fax and calling campaigns. mmonk Dec 2011 #3

We need a new Declaration of Independence. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #5

A Constitutional Convention is what we need tavalon Dec 2011 #70

But how do we wrest power away from the corp-overlords? nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #118

Go. Save the nation. This has already changed things permanently. I love Occupy. roguevalley Dec 2011 #68

I've been going. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #75

Oh, hell yeah! tavalon Dec 2011 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #92

Amen Brother. Matariki Dec 2011 #2

Watch out for the anti-OWS crowd in here. There code is "OWS is hurting their own message" rhett o rick Dec 2011 #4

Their concern is touching, isn't it? n/t backscatter712 Dec 2011 #6

Not always. greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #10

Please expain how it is becoming a religion? And what do you recommend instead? Status quo? nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #11

"Global warming" is a "religion?!" RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #12

Well... greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #14

Oh, you mean how there's overwhelming scientific evidence that climate change exists, unlike RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #20

So you believe nearly every climate scientist in the world is a fanatic? Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #62

I'm trying to see the difference UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #73

Is that called "self-hate"? Fuddnik Dec 2011 #87

Uhm kenfrequed Dec 2011 #95

Holy Crap... turn off the right wing propaganda fascisthunter Dec 2011 #135

He's right about the OWS = New Religion. randome Dec 2011 #15

You have a fucked up definition of the word "religion." RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #16

How so? Blind faith? Refusal to discuss alternative opinions? randome Dec 2011 #18

As someone who actually participated in the protests, I assure you RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #22

Damned straight. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #27

Wow. Such cogent arguments. randome Dec 2011 #28

Funny, that's the same logic DU's Obama supporters refuse to acknowledge. RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #30

Actually, that's a good point. randome Dec 2011 #31

Go to a protest and be heard! Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #38

I'm listening. randome Dec 2011 #40

Washington is one of the targets of the protest. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #41

First you say Washington is one of the targets. randome Dec 2011 #43

You are demeaning OWS. "little groups going off on their own thing". Whose side are you on? rhett o rick Dec 2011 #45

Where the hell do you get that from? randome Dec 2011 #47

They are protesting both Democrats and Republicans! Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #49

I said nothing about speed or instant gratification. randome Dec 2011 #58

Ammendment to get rid of corporate personhood nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #97

Your claim that they will accomplish nothing is forgetting that they already have. They have jwirr Dec 2011 #103

What did the West Coast port interruptions do for jobs or the economy? randome Dec 2011 #106

WE already know that but there are a lot people who did not know that. It also highlighted the jwirr Dec 2011 #108

I agree, OWS got that message through just fine! randome Dec 2011 #112

Corporations bought the politicians Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #143

The general public is ablivious to that gross inequality. They dont rhett o rick Dec 2011 #115

I don't have to do shit. randome Dec 2011 #122

In other words nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #130

not if the poster's agenda is to help fight against a movement and idea fascisthunter Dec 2011 #136

Ridiculous kenfrequed Dec 2011 #98

It's been answered many times by many posters. randome Dec 2011 #110

Uhm... kenfrequed Dec 2011 #119

I agreewith your last paragraph. randome Dec 2011 #121

Do you have any idea what it entails to be involved in Politics? truedelphi Dec 2011 #141

+1 Zorra Dec 2011 #117

Wow, you have been busy! tavalon Dec 2011 #71

His lounge chair is like Bill and Ted's UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2011 #94

Apparently some people think a "religion" is "something I like a whole lot." RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #144

Perhaps with Global Warming greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #32

Really? You think academic grant money compares to oil+chemical lobbyist money? RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #33

I've had this arguement countless times greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #37

Yes nothing changes, you lose every time when you don't have the facts on your side. Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #63

It would have been very easy to avoid this if you'd refrained from calling global warming a religion JVS Dec 2011 #99

Wikipedia is a religion. RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #145

We're getting off-topic here, obviously. randome Dec 2011 #36

My point is greytdemocrat Dec 2011 #39

Who the hell says we control the weather? Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #65

Unfortunately just about every competent scientist studying human-induced global climate change... Raster Dec 2011 #101

Actions have consequences. That is a very conservative statement that should make you very happy. jwirr Dec 2011 #105

Tell you what: let's test whether we humans have control of the atmosphere on a small scale first. RandomKoolzip Dec 2011 #146

Grant money riding on it? Your opinion is straight off the O'Reilly Factor. dogknob Dec 2011 #61

Anyone who thinks global warming is wrong, IMHO, is a fool Marrah_G Dec 2011 #89

So you are against OWS. What's your answer? Status Quo? nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #44

I am not against OWS. randome Dec 2011 #48

Your first two statements conflict. You support OWS if they did it different, means you dont rhett o rick Dec 2011 #51

Yeah, well, I can compress your statement down further, too. randome Dec 2011 #55

Do you understand the concept of civil disobedience? If so, explain why you dont agree the ports rhett o rick Dec 2011 #57

Civil disobedience is usually directed at groups or institutions responsible... randome Dec 2011 #60

I will ask a very rethorical question nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #64

This is like trying to explain rock and roll to grandpa. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #77

So now OWS is even MORE than a protest movement? randome Dec 2011 #82

Nice straw man you made there. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #113

Totally agree. And while the M$M Media whines about this truedelphi Dec 2011 #124

OWS is learning how to adapt in order to survive... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #50

It's a social movement, fer cryin' out loud Remember Me Dec 2011 #53

Actually it makes sense. kenfrequed Dec 2011 #96

The "dirty hippies" meme didn't work in the time truedelphi Dec 2011 #125

that sounds like DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #114

Interesting concept. mmonk Dec 2011 #13

I guess it's a good thing nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #26

I can't believe you just said G_j Dec 2011 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author AllyCat Dec 2011 #88

Wow, I've read silly stuff at DU over the years, but this is up there. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2011 #93

Hmmm. you do not sound like you have ever supported OWS. Religion - it takes much longer than jwirr Dec 2011 #100

Yeah, and I have a statue of the Global Warming Goddess that I pray to every night. RoccoR5955 Dec 2011 #111

Calling global warming a "religion" is like calling gravity just a "theory" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2011 #128

On the bright side nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #24

I believe they always had a message, but many are too clueless or in denial to recognize it. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #140

How do you appeal to the 99% you claim to represent if you do use more violent tactics? applegrove Dec 2011 #56

The 'New Democrat' Message formercia Dec 2011 #109

Also, MLK Jr. was also unpopular, and HATED by many during his life. backscatter712 Dec 2011 #7

I liked the way he protested bigtree Dec 2011 #21

Not in the 50s and early 60s he didn't. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #79

I remember seeing where Kennedy invited Dr. King and others into the WH for a series of discussions bigtree Dec 2011 #86

Kennedy made some gestures, yes. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #116

it was a combination of efforts bigtree Dec 2011 #120

He did work with Congress at that point. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #133

why does OWS have to refight the landscape the civil rights movement won? bigtree Dec 2011 #148

But he actively embraced the political system hack89 Dec 2011 #52

Many Occupiers also lobby and encourage people to vote Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #67

Part of the process is ignoring some of your critics gratuitous Dec 2011 #8

We can afford to ignore our critics but can't afford not to be heard by those that hold power. mmonk Dec 2011 #19

The pricks in control do not honor our rights or the Constitution so why should we Lint Head Dec 2011 #9

we can handle that bigtree Dec 2011 #17

Yes, there is a purpose and direction for us all. mmonk Dec 2011 #23

the continuing protests undeniably provide a visible base to the arguments bigtree Dec 2011 #90

The media need to be totally occupied Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #25

indeed themadstork Dec 2011 #78

Bravo, Rosa. I think the heated hallways of the major truedelphi Dec 2011 #137

the Green Room at Fox! Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #139

Let's coordinate our watches and meet! truedelphi Dec 2011 #147

I still think OWS is on the right track. nt stevenleser Dec 2011 #29

Those who tend to 'concern' themselves with this haven't lost enough yet... Earth_First Dec 2011 #34

Kicking and reccing ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #35

K&R (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #42

yep G_j Dec 2011 #46

I am good with protest quaker bill Dec 2011 #54

+1000!!! FirstLight Dec 2011 #59

They are the same poor saps that believe capitalism can be reformed... nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #66

Agreed - K&R - nt Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #72

keep at it! themadstork Dec 2011 #76

Is there an Occupy Du Forum and I'm not talking Occupy DU2! sce56 Dec 2011 #81

No thanks, the segregation is a net loss TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #83

OWS barbtries Dec 2011 #84

I couldn't have said it better! +1 n/t deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #91

The second your sister loses her job, the second some life threatening illness pops truedelphi Dec 2011 #126

i know what you mean barbtries Dec 2011 #132

Who are you talking to? treestar Dec 2011 #85

When media costs are so high and they control the message nineteen50 Dec 2011 #102

Congress and the 1% have to do right by the 99%, or we Zorra Dec 2011 #104

I like your attitude, but would disagree about truedelphi Dec 2011 #142

The revolution has begun. OWS are leading the way. rainy Dec 2011 #107

The OP makes a false argument... MellowDem Dec 2011 #123

You make a good point, though in a sense you are throwing the baby out with the bath truedelphi Dec 2011 #127

Meh. bluedigger Dec 2011 #129

Thanks... midnight Dec 2011 #131

I Could care Less what the Dem Leadership Parrots have to say fascisthunter Dec 2011 #134

Ain't it the truth! n/t truedelphi Dec 2011 #138