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In reply to the discussion: Agency Says Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 [View all]Ocelot II
(131,652 posts)15. Yes, exactly.
It's important to know where the virus came from - whether it came directly from animals into the human population or if it escaped from a lab. If it came from animals more research is needed about animal-human transmission; if it was a lab error we should know how that happened, too. China's response to the pandemic has been less than transparent, regardless; but that certainly doesn't justify the anti-Asian racism it stirred up, with the implication that the Chinese deliberately released the virus, not that it escaped from a lab due to human error. As you said, human error can occur anywhere, and by anyone. The holes in the Swiss cheese model need to be identified and closed up.
James Reason proposed the image of "Swiss cheese" to explain the occurrence of system failures, such as medical mishaps. According to this metaphor, in a complex system, hazards are prevented from causing human losses by a series of barriers. Each barrier has unintended weaknesses, or holes hence the similarity with Swiss cheese. These weaknesses are inconstant i.e., the holes open and close at random. When by chance all holes are aligned, the hazard reaches the patient and causes harm. This model draws attention to the health care system, as opposed to the individual, and to randomness, as opposed to deliberate action, in the occurrence of medical errors.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1298298/#:~:text=According%20to%20this%20metaphor%2C%20in,open%20and%20close%20at%20random.Edit history
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At one time the US had 44 CDC workers in China, some in Wuhan. TFG reduced that to 0 in 2119.
panader0
Feb 2023
#1
Yeah! Why would the Dept of Energy investigate the origin of a medical outbreak?
Generic Brad
Feb 2023
#5
Because it has an office that is part of the United States Intelligence Community.
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2023
#7
Jeffrey Sacks was commissioned by the Lancet to look into the origins of the virus
womanofthehills
Feb 2023
#44
"The Energy Department made its judgment with "low confidence," according to people who have read
hlthe2b
Feb 2023
#10
What people? Sometimes we have to close our own bio labs for violations
womanofthehills
Feb 2023
#21
This finding is being incorrectly reported. The headlines don't match the facts.
Nevilledog
Feb 2023
#41
Exactly and frankly their "evidence" is NOT biological. Low evidence is not at all worthy of the
hlthe2b
Feb 2023
#43
And they've never found that any lab had possessed a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2.
Nevilledog
Feb 2023
#52
What does the CDC say? And what is the Dept of Energy's expertise on this matter? n/t
pnwmom
Feb 2023
#31
from 19 months ago: Senior Biden officials finding that Covid lab leak theory as credible as natural
Celerity
Feb 2023
#59
I've always thought it was a lab leak. I've read a lot of books and literature about viruses prior
liberal_mama
Feb 2023
#51