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In reply to the discussion: Agency Says Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 [View all]Celerity
(55,244 posts)59. from 19 months ago: Senior Biden officials finding that Covid lab leak theory as credible as natural
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and even longer ago
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-intel-review-covid-origins/index.html
Washington
CNN
Published 6:18 PM EDT, Fri July 16, 2021
Senior Biden administration officials overseeing an intelligence review into the origins of the coronavirus now believe the theory that the virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan is at least as credible as the possibility that it emerged naturally in the wild a dramatic shift from a year ago, when Democrats publicly downplayed the so-called lab leak theory. Still, more than halfway into President Joe Bidens renewed 90-day push to find answers, the intelligence community remains firmly divided over whether the virus leaked from the Wuhan lab or jumped naturally from animals to humans in the wild, multiple sources familiar with the probe told CNN.
Little new evidence has emerged to move the needle in one direction or another, these people said. But the fact that the lab leak theory is being seriously considered by top Biden officials is noteworthy and comes amid a growing openness to the idea even though most scientists who study coronaviruses and who have investigated the origins of the pandemic say the evidence strongly supports a natural origin.
Current intelligence reinforces the belief that the virus most likely originated naturally, from animal-human contact and was not deliberately engineered, the sources said. But that does not preclude the possibility that the virus was the result of an accidental leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where coronavirus research was being conducted on bats although many scientists familiar with the research say such a leak is unlikely.
On Thursday, the director-general of the World Health Organization Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said it had been premature to dismiss the possibility that a lab leak had spawned the pandemic and urged China to provide direct information on what the situation of these labs was before and at the start of the pandemic.
Washington
CNN
Published 6:18 PM EDT, Fri July 16, 2021
Senior Biden administration officials overseeing an intelligence review into the origins of the coronavirus now believe the theory that the virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan is at least as credible as the possibility that it emerged naturally in the wild a dramatic shift from a year ago, when Democrats publicly downplayed the so-called lab leak theory. Still, more than halfway into President Joe Bidens renewed 90-day push to find answers, the intelligence community remains firmly divided over whether the virus leaked from the Wuhan lab or jumped naturally from animals to humans in the wild, multiple sources familiar with the probe told CNN.
Little new evidence has emerged to move the needle in one direction or another, these people said. But the fact that the lab leak theory is being seriously considered by top Biden officials is noteworthy and comes amid a growing openness to the idea even though most scientists who study coronaviruses and who have investigated the origins of the pandemic say the evidence strongly supports a natural origin.
Current intelligence reinforces the belief that the virus most likely originated naturally, from animal-human contact and was not deliberately engineered, the sources said. But that does not preclude the possibility that the virus was the result of an accidental leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where coronavirus research was being conducted on bats although many scientists familiar with the research say such a leak is unlikely.
On Thursday, the director-general of the World Health Organization Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said it had been premature to dismiss the possibility that a lab leak had spawned the pandemic and urged China to provide direct information on what the situation of these labs was before and at the start of the pandemic.
and even longer ago
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rumors-of-us-secretly-harboring-top-china-official-dong-jingwei-swirl
Updated Jun. 17, 2021 7:17PM ET / Published Jun. 17, 2021 3:25PM ET
Chinese-language anti-communist media and Twitter are abuzz this week with rumors that a vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei defected in mid-February, flying from Hong Kong to the United States with his daughter, Dong Yang.
Dong Jingwei supposedly gave the U.S. information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology that changed the stance of the Biden administration concerning the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Dong is, or was, a longtime official in Chinas Ministry of State Security (MSS), also known as the Guoanbu. His publicly available background indicates that he was responsible for the Ministrys counterintelligence efforts in China, i.e., spy-catching, since being promoted to vice minister in April 2018. If the stories are true, Dong would be the highest-level defector in the history of the Peoples Republic of China.
Dongs defection was raised by Chinese officials last March at the Sino-American summit in Alaska, according to Dr. Han Lianchao, a former Chinese foreign ministry official before defecting after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. In a Wednesday tweet, Han, citing an unnamed source, alleged that Chinas foreign minister Wang Yi and Communist Party foreign affairs boss Yang Jiechi demanded that the Americans return Dong, and U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken refused.
Updated Jun. 17, 2021 7:17PM ET / Published Jun. 17, 2021 3:25PM ET
Chinese-language anti-communist media and Twitter are abuzz this week with rumors that a vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei defected in mid-February, flying from Hong Kong to the United States with his daughter, Dong Yang.
Dong Jingwei supposedly gave the U.S. information about the Wuhan Institute of Virology that changed the stance of the Biden administration concerning the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Dong is, or was, a longtime official in Chinas Ministry of State Security (MSS), also known as the Guoanbu. His publicly available background indicates that he was responsible for the Ministrys counterintelligence efforts in China, i.e., spy-catching, since being promoted to vice minister in April 2018. If the stories are true, Dong would be the highest-level defector in the history of the Peoples Republic of China.
Dongs defection was raised by Chinese officials last March at the Sino-American summit in Alaska, according to Dr. Han Lianchao, a former Chinese foreign ministry official before defecting after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. In a Wednesday tweet, Han, citing an unnamed source, alleged that Chinas foreign minister Wang Yi and Communist Party foreign affairs boss Yang Jiechi demanded that the Americans return Dong, and U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken refused.
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At one time the US had 44 CDC workers in China, some in Wuhan. TFG reduced that to 0 in 2119.
panader0
Feb 2023
#1
Yeah! Why would the Dept of Energy investigate the origin of a medical outbreak?
Generic Brad
Feb 2023
#5
Because it has an office that is part of the United States Intelligence Community.
WhiskeyGrinder
Feb 2023
#7
Jeffrey Sacks was commissioned by the Lancet to look into the origins of the virus
womanofthehills
Feb 2023
#44
"The Energy Department made its judgment with "low confidence," according to people who have read
hlthe2b
Feb 2023
#10
What people? Sometimes we have to close our own bio labs for violations
womanofthehills
Feb 2023
#21
This finding is being incorrectly reported. The headlines don't match the facts.
Nevilledog
Feb 2023
#41
Exactly and frankly their "evidence" is NOT biological. Low evidence is not at all worthy of the
hlthe2b
Feb 2023
#43
And they've never found that any lab had possessed a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2.
Nevilledog
Feb 2023
#52
What does the CDC say? And what is the Dept of Energy's expertise on this matter? n/t
pnwmom
Feb 2023
#31
from 19 months ago: Senior Biden officials finding that Covid lab leak theory as credible as natural
Celerity
Feb 2023
#59
I've always thought it was a lab leak. I've read a lot of books and literature about viruses prior
liberal_mama
Feb 2023
#51