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Celerity

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6. The advanced world is going to have to likely import tens (perhaps 100s) of millions of workers
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 11:04 AM
Feb 2023

to prop up their ageing nation states, which in turn is going to cause massive internal socio-economic, socio-political, and socio-cultural conflicts.

Sweden, my home nation atm, is a perfect example, wherein we already see much of this happening, which in turn has allowed the hard white nationalist RW to, for the first time ever in modern history, have true power in the Riksdag (Parliament).

That all is combining with other exacerbating factors, like a disastrous (at the end of the day) 30, 40 or so year trend towards neoliberal taxation and privatisation models, and a resultant explosion in wealth inequality, to start to fracture the nation at multiple bedrock points.

The American immigration model is not easily replicated over here in Europe at all. It is often a case of chalk and cheese when comparing it elsewhere.

A large difference between, for example, Sweden's immigration and the US is that so many of the refugees (refugees make up the vast bulk of our immigration, unlike the US) here really do not want to be here at all, and hate the open, tolerant, secular, democratic culture. A large, large majority are arrivals from war-torn battle theatres (often US-involved ones), and upon arrival so many are greeted by multiple in-place structural underpinnings designed to try and isolate and radicalise them. Some of these forces have operated for decades from inside our very own government unfortunately.

Also, the sheer numbers, when adjusted for the population difference between the US and Sweden are staggering. Imagine the USA bringing in 50 million (yes around 50 million) or so refugees over a 20 to 25 year period, and having the vast bulk be of the Swedish refugee profile. I can assure you the US would be in FAR more conflict than it is now.

We here have also done a pretty poor job job at integration, and far too often have created large pockets of isolated and alienated immigrants.

All that above has helped fuel the rise of the far RW Sweden Democrats, the RW (culturally, not economically) nationalist party. All the other main parties (both right, centre, and left, for the most part) for years (especially after the 2nd US-Iraq war) refused to even discuss immigration other than to accuse anyone (including non whites) who expressed any concerns of being a racist (even though many with issues about it were non white and many of the whites raising concerns were not racist).

That all changed (the barriers to discussion) with the explosion of numbers of refugees from Syria in the mid 2010's, but by then it was too late and the far right Sweden Democrats were already in the Riksdag, and now, as of last fall's national elections they are the 2nd biggest party and have a power-sharing agreement with the centre right and right wing other parties. My wife and I are both members of the centre left to left Social Democrats (most definitely NOT a socialist party, btw, the socialist parties in Sweden have never been officially in power in any government ever), the largest single party here for 100 years, but not always in power, especially starting in the 1990s and beyond.

It is all very hard to effectively convey to many Americans, as too many have a tendency to see the rest of the world only through an American prism. Even the hard right Sweden Democrats for instance, would be considered radical lefties in the US in terms of their support for the expansive Swedish social welfare state. They are extremely different economically from the US Rethugs and many in the US centre, but they do share the white nationalism of most Rethugs. They also are historically anti-Russian, due to our history of centuries of conflict with Russia. Their leader, Jimmie Åkesson, for example, is pro Sweden joining NATO, although some of SD (Sweden Democrats, his party) is not.

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Having a family is expensive too many people want to be kings off of your salary Fullduplexxx Feb 2023 #1
Or kings off your children Auggie Feb 2023 #3
👍 ..nt Fullduplexxx Feb 2023 #7
K&R n/t ChazII Feb 2023 #2
Generous immigration and education policies can quickly solve this problem... hunter Feb 2023 #4
The advanced world is going to have to likely import tens (perhaps 100s) of millions of workers Celerity Feb 2023 #6
Thank you for your informative post! Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #11
YW. I also didn't touch upon climate refugees, another potentially massive group (10s of millions at Celerity Feb 2023 #12
These are some of the reasons I kind of hope my mid-20s kids choose to not have kids. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #13
It will cause problems here *within* the United States. hunter Feb 2023 #19
U.S. attitudes about immigration are not monolithic. hunter Feb 2023 #14
", but that they cannot afford it," uponit7771 Feb 2023 #5
Inflation plus urbanization. roamer65 Feb 2023 #8
Blowback. oooops. niyad Feb 2023 #9
Birthrates need to fall drastically worldwide. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #10
A major factor in population decline is climate change Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #15
Demographic panic leads to forced births cagefreesoylentgreen Feb 2023 #16
China is an autocratic, top-down govt. All they have to do is withdraw contraceptives & abortion... Hekate Feb 2023 #17
K&R for the post and the discussion. crickets Feb 2023 #18
Tell them that the children will turn into Trump and DeSatan. LiberalFighter Feb 2023 #20
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