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tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
21. I wish I could agree with you but I just can't
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:57 PM
Nov 2012

It's more subtle there much of the time, but it's there. I'm a NYC WASP. I a NYC'er by birth and most of my youth -- that was definitely a multicultural upbringing and I never heard it at home, even from Mom who came from a Southern family -- my grandparents were pretty good but had their limits. I had lots of African American friends and one evening was having a conversation with my grandfather (grandmother had died by then) and asked him if my close friendships, sleepovers, etc bothered him -- he said no. But I then asked him "what if I married a black man" -- "I'd never speak to you again," was the answer I got.

Anyway, as an adult I've lived in many different states. I'm now in NC and hear some of it, all of the subtle variety. But I heard more of it when I was living in Chicago, Springfield (MA) and a couple of other northern cities. I was horrified by some of what I heard when I was living in Chicago! The immediate area where I was living tended to be blue collar whites and frankly, I was astonished when some of the most racist things I'd ever heard came out of the mouths of neighbors (including the "n" word).

The same was true to a MUCH lesser degree in Springfield -- I had really nice neighbors but damn, as I got to know them their defenses slipped a little and I guess they thought they were in like company. Their racism was much more subtle but it was there nonetheless. That's been how I'd categorize some other Northern places I lived. (An exception was Madison, WI, which I loved and I never heard anything like that around there.)

The racism -- blatant, horrific and subtle varieties -- that's aired itself since Obama's first election has been horrifying. I mean, look at the work of the SPLC & NAACP on the surge of "patriot" groups and hate groups since Obama was first elected. Most of those are young and young-ish -- these aren't senior citizens doing this. As far as I'm concerned, most of the Obama hate comes from racism. Look at the Republican legislature -- to outright say their goal was to make Obama a one-term president and to block everything he tried to do? To yell out during a SOTU speech? All of the instances of blatant disrespect on the part of Republican "statesmen" is something I've never witnessed in my 57 years on earth. And I frankly don't think a lot of that would have happened if he were a white politician with whom they disagreed.

The good thing is that 40% of us who voted for Obama twice are white. That's where you see the difference. But Romney getting the huge majority of white votes is due to a number of factors, and a significant percentage of those votes are due to the simple fact that he's African American.

Yep, I sadly have to disagree with you. And it does make me incredibly sad that it's still so present & virulent.

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I'm not surprised a bit quinnox Nov 2012 #1
It's just that EVERYTHING about Romney exuded the predator class, predator capitalism. Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #4
As long as it was a white raptor nadine_mn Nov 2012 #7
Yeah, based on what little I know of the demographics of this last race and the demographics... Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #10
Yeah, my grandparents were racists, too tavalon Nov 2012 #16
I wish I could agree with you but I just can't tpsbmam Nov 2012 #21
I hope I'm right about this tavalon Nov 2012 #22
It does seem incredibly intransigent..... tpsbmam Nov 2012 #30
I agree. EC Nov 2012 #2
Well the important thing is K-Matt Nov 2012 #3
I don't. ananda Nov 2012 #5
Hunh! You know, at first you lost me but then you wrote that sentence about... Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #11
A lot of those reasons are why progressives have issues with Obama, not necessarily conservatives. gtar100 Nov 2012 #12
I didn't believe that Bush would be so bad since he was such tavalon Nov 2012 #17
Wow. Great post and agreed 110%. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #32
Me too. Good writing. It really is. eom uppityperson Nov 2012 #6
Sadly, I think there was a ton of racism in this election tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #8
Well, keep in mind that many have been brainwashed... pointsoflight Nov 2012 #9
I really do not get it, either. Scares me witless... Rhiannon12866 Nov 2012 #13
The economy had a lot to do with it former-republican Nov 2012 #14
Some really good points in this thread... PoiBoy Nov 2012 #15
Who are we kidding? Many of those who voted for Romney held their noses while doing so out of coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #18
Republicans need an intervention-- felix_numinous Nov 2012 #19
my mom votes gop, even tho it basically stands against almost everything believes in... KG Nov 2012 #20
honestly, it's the prefect example of why I do not have faith in Humanity stuntcat Nov 2012 #23
believe me there are NOT tens of millions of them argiel1234 Nov 2012 #24
I think Romney's constant flip-flopping was a deliberate strategy JBoy Nov 2012 #25
You are expressing what causes me great consternation as well n/t Mira Nov 2012 #26
Also... kentuck Nov 2012 #27
a lot of them didn't vote for romney- they voted against Obama. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #28
I know. They're nuts. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #29
Low Information Voters Agony Nov 2012 #31
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