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hifiguy

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126. When a federal judge has you under his or her

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:24 PM

Nov 2012

microscope, as was the case in Ohio before the election (and that is absolutely crucial here) there is much less wiggle room. The judge's suspicions were already on hair-trigger alert because of Husted's earlier shenanigans.

So Husted (and maybe Kasich) had two options: go through with the fix that had been pre-arranged with Rove, in which case the judge would start asking some very difficult questions which, when the truth inevitably came out, would lead to the very real possibility of extended time in the federal slammer for a lot of Ohio Republicans; or mind their ps and qs and fk over KKKarl, which would have the added advantage of keeping them out of the Big House. Nobody is gonna go to heavy-duty prison just to save Karl Rove's doughy ass. Nobody. Not even a couple of shitweasels like Kasich and Husted. There is no honor among thieves.

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Tin Foil theory about the Rove meltdown....someone Unhacked Ohio. And he realized he was fucked as.. [View all] yourout Nov 2012 OP

It also explains R$mneys lack of a concession speech. DJ13 Nov 2012 #1

Remember the speech femrap Nov 2012 #20

A lot of us here in Ohio worked our tails off rbrnmw Nov 2012 #58

Ohio Preserved Democracy in Our Republic mckara Nov 2012 #71

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #76

Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman Octafish Nov 2012 #160

These two fine men... FarPoint Nov 2012 #204

They also took the SOS of Ohio to Court one day before the election..... robinlynne Nov 2012 #208

Right...two true-blue American heroes, Raksha Nov 2012 #221

Thank you Ohioans!!! Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #200

Proud of Ohio, indeed! October Nov 2012 #118

thank you for all you did..n/t oldhippydude Nov 2012 #203

he, he, he... ha, ha, ha... defacto7 Nov 2012 #79

Sweet karma indeed. '04 was heartbreaking. It took a long time to get over that. Doremus Nov 2012 #120

November 2004, a couple of weeks after the election, was when I found DU also. Raksha Nov 2012 #156

Me too. I found DU right after the 2004 election. mary195149 Nov 2012 #207

That was my first thought - Anonymous did it! liberalla Nov 2012 #167

Anonymous femrap Nov 2012 #175

that would be a level of political competence Democrats haven't shown in at least a decade yurbud Nov 2012 #88

I don't think ti was the Democrats. It was Bob Fitrakis, from the green party, who took Husted, the robinlynne Nov 2012 #209

For a quick second on Tuesday I got the same sinking feeling in my gut... truebrit71 Nov 2012 #2

Additionally they thought they were going to be successful in suppressing the vote malaise Nov 2012 #171

Me too MA Mom Nov 2012 #233

Hoisted by his own petard, Mme. Defarge Nov 2012 #3

Um, make that "Husted by his own petard" :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #123

Hee! Lucy Goosey Nov 2012 #132

I stand corrected, nt Mme. Defarge Nov 2012 #195

I don't even think they were ever close to winning Ohio LynneSin Nov 2012 #4

Husted, OH's femrap Nov 2012 #22

It was clear from Karl's sputtering and hair on fire demeanor that something he was Grammy23 Nov 2012 #5

+1 My thoughts exactly. wandy Nov 2012 #16

I think Husted and Kasich lost their nerve. hifiguy Nov 2012 #35

ah, now THAT seems plausible to me. Rather than someone unhacking the hacked software, pnwest Nov 2012 #47

There was a federal judge watching because lawsuits were filed in Ohio about the software! robinlynne Nov 2012 #211

I'm coming down on your side ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #74

It's the only thing that both explains Rove's hifiguy Nov 2012 #75

Those patches! Generic Other Nov 2012 #131

It didn't exactly fail. the Judge said he was open to investigation after the eleciton if there were robinlynne Nov 2012 #212

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #219

Boom. hifiguy Nov 2012 #222

yes. now how do we let 3 million+ people know this? robinlynne Nov 2012 #229

I think we have a winner! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #107

I think the IT guy chickened out malaise Nov 2012 #133

exactly musette_sf Nov 2012 #176

I agree. This IS what happened. Frank Cannon Nov 2012 #193

It became apparent to Husted or someone else hifiguy Nov 2012 #196

+ lonestarnot Nov 2012 #194

That is my take on this.... cold feet. FarPoint Nov 2012 #206

BINGO kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #50

+1 those were my thoughts as well Ya Basta Nov 2012 #52

I agree with you...and welcome to DU! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #86

Its nice to be around like minded folks.. :) Ya Basta Nov 2012 #130

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #77

May he drift off into obscurity. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #84

they would have lost anyway, even with Ohio....so maybe someone unhacked it due to the futility and amborin Nov 2012 #114

I think his response and demeanor "proves" he thought the fix was in. raging_moderate Nov 2012 #115

It reminded me of the trading floor in "Trading Places" no_hypocrisy Nov 2012 #217

That would be some sweet revenge Blue Owl Nov 2012 #6

web site for ohio did go down but questionseverything Nov 2012 #24

Tin foil hat firmly on sylvanus Nov 2012 #7

Hey there sylvanus.... femrap Nov 2012 #23

Welcome to DU. Vincardog Nov 2012 #68

like the scene in "Quiz Show" Enrique Nov 2012 #8

Yes, exactly! Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #27

Husted's software patch didn't work oswaldactedalone Nov 2012 #9

Did it occur to anyone that the "Patch" mattvermont Nov 2012 #13

Excellent theory! soleft Nov 2012 #17

NO way.... femrap Nov 2012 #26

these types have no loyalty fascisthunter Nov 2012 #90

Nor would Husted take a Federal rap for Rove in an already lost effort. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #139

Hmmm! Kber Nov 2012 #28

anonymous...was....nt Evasporque Nov 2012 #34

Yes, I thought of that. lobointexas Nov 2012 #48

Do you - or anyone else - have a link to the video? Whiskeytide Nov 2012 #182

that thought occured to me too... oldhippydude Nov 2012 #87

That was exactly our theory on Tuesday night. n/t dogknob Nov 2012 #92

continuing the theory... adamuu Nov 2012 #180

Anonymous issues warning to Rove on Friday Evasporque Nov 2012 #228

The patch was bullshit conspiracy demwing Nov 2012 #80

Maybe something like this: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #10

Makes 100% sense to me. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #25

Agreed, but w/one caveat ... brett_jv Nov 2012 #63

Sounds plausible. nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #82

Works for me Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #31

Husted has femrap Nov 2012 #32

I think that is exactly what happened. hifiguy Nov 2012 #36

I think you're right, or close, and should start writing the screenplay Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #43

I'm wondering if Karl is going to meet with an "accident". GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #61

If that's the case, Husted should watch his back LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Nov 2012 #105

I absolutely loved the part when Megan Kelly got up from her seat and walked a kennedy Nov 2012 #11

I actually unblocked faux for the first time and watched it happen! louis-t Nov 2012 #18

I missed it live because I had it blocked, too! Patiod Nov 2012 #21

I missed it too (no TV) but the videos beac Nov 2012 #169

Thanks - those images never get old! Patiod Nov 2012 #173

the video in the first link brettdale Nov 2012 #230

Watched his meldown live also... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #85

I've watched it femrap Nov 2012 #33

that was a bizarre scene - she said "when we rehearsed this" as she was walking down the hall central scrutinizer Nov 2012 #59

Rehearsal johnq45 Nov 2012 #78

Yeah, that was really strange caraher Nov 2012 #111

Yes, I saw it! Did you also see... CoffeeCat Nov 2012 #157

I Know. She walks down there to basically ask, "You know that extremely important decision you just Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #164

I've been saying for some time I thought they had a "fix" in for Ohio. Something went wrong. OregonBlue Nov 2012 #12

My understanding femrap Nov 2012 #38

Maybe the work of Anonymous should be spoken of in whispers or not at all Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #44

OK...I'll femrap Nov 2012 #49

dang, forgive me Almighty Cat.. how could I do that, I'm ashamed as all my cats are now giving me Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #57

And it did not matter. Because Obama won IA, CO, NV, WI, and NH. Jennicut Nov 2012 #14

There were Repukes saying the Willard would win Minnesota. hifiguy Nov 2012 #37

True.... femrap Nov 2012 #42

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #89

I just think that whatever was planned with Ohio ended up being moot--and the Ohio SoS TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #15

It was a staged and planned walkback of his previous optimism. JBoy Nov 2012 #19

This ^^ Beowulf Nov 2012 #30

That is not what she meant obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #154

That us what she said. I Tivoed it... CoffeeCat Nov 2012 #159

I agree caraher Nov 2012 #112

The best forensic computer scientists come from blue states Brother Buzz Nov 2012 #29

I do believe that Romney was convinced that they had suppressed enough of the vote to "win." yardwork Nov 2012 #39

Isn't there a category beyond tin foil? Coyotl Nov 2012 #40

Yeah. Treason. Octafish Nov 2012 #158

Truth is stranger than fiction texpatriot2004 Nov 2012 #179

nope. There was a lawsuit in Ohio. A judge was watching. The Ohio election website went off the air robinlynne Nov 2012 #41

I remember that femrap Nov 2012 #45

but Husted had a judge watching him becuase Bob Fitrakis filed a lawsuit on monday morning. robinlynne Nov 2012 #53

That also plays in to my "chickened out" scenario. hifiguy Nov 2012 #62

I believe what you describe is probably exactly what happened. robinlynne Nov 2012 #67

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #93

I jsut posted a new OP with mark Crispin's analysis and Victoria Collier's of election night in Ohio robinlynne Nov 2012 #119

Wow, I just had a little frisson at your malapropism. I believe you meant "Husted" and not coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #128

I am reading Sy Hersh's book about hifiguy Nov 2012 #129

And "Segretti" means "secrets" in Italian. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #226

I read that femrap Nov 2012 #134

Do you have a link to that specific story robinlynne? Emit Nov 2012 #51

will find you a better link, to mark Crispin miller. give me a minute. robinlynne Nov 2012 #54

here you go: robinlynne Nov 2012 #55

Thank you so much! Emit Nov 2012 #60

A GREAT post, robin! hifiguy Nov 2012 #64

This is from Mark Crispin Miller, an Election Protection advocate. one of the best. robinlynne Nov 2012 #65

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #98

WOW! Thank you so much Carolina Nov 2012 #124

I believe that word was passed to other SOS about the machines. When I went to vote in rural LiberalArkie Nov 2012 #127

here you go: leanforward Nov 2012 #153

They projected winning results because they own the voting machines. As Bush did, to steal an robinlynne Nov 2012 #162

Interesting remarks about "leftist pundits"; I remember when Jerry Rubin became a stockbroker. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #170

In 2004, I recall the time as being around 11 p.m. I remember going downtown pissed as hell at lonestarnot Nov 2012 #197

Let's not forget what happened to Mike Connell. Raksha Nov 2012 #224

There's an article around here about how angry the federal judge was with Husted's people on Friday. yardwork Nov 2012 #94

When a federal judge has you under his or her hifiguy Nov 2012 #126

who is Kasich? robinlynne Nov 2012 #137

OH governor. nt hifiguy Nov 2012 #141

got it. robinlynne Nov 2012 #144

Husted is sickening. Here's the link I mentioned upthread: yardwork Nov 2012 #146

Wow. Federal judges do not dress down hifiguy Nov 2012 #149

Tagg Rmoney's company owns the OH voting machines. I guarantee you they tried to rig them. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #46

This is my theory "turnout was so high that the rig was inadequate" Carni Nov 2012 #66

Agree. Plus, the exit pollsters were watching like hawks this time. McCamy Taylor Nov 2012 #69

Yes! Carni Nov 2012 #121

That was 2008. this time it was a judge's, and public, awareness. robinlynne Nov 2012 #102

THIS is what I think, as well. October Nov 2012 #116

No, I think they were just arrogant, especially Romney. cui bono Nov 2012 #56

I agree, just said the same smackd Nov 2012 #148

Exactly! I was convinced they were about to alter the vote count . . . But the Ohio SOS abruptly Liberal In Red State Nov 2012 #70

That sounds very plausible tinrobot Nov 2012 #99

not by the AG. By a judge because of Bob Fitrakis'' lawsuit. Holder did NOTHING. election protection robinlynne Nov 2012 #104

Even with Ohio, Romney loses. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #72

80% of American votes are counted by private corporations, just as they are in Ohio. robinlynne Nov 2012 #125

Oooookay, but what does that have to do with Obama winning Ohio? Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #140

the fix is possible all over the country right now. same as i Ohio. the same companies who "fixed' o robinlynne Nov 2012 #143

Not possible. They would need to 'fix' every swing state, and any state that was even close. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #145

Private republican owned companies count 80% of American votes. Think about that for a minute. robinlynne Nov 2012 #163

They could not have "fixed" California - our SoS got rid of the bad voting machines Merlot Nov 2012 #155

not quite. the bad voting amchine company scans and counts the votes here in Claifornia. the same robinlynne Nov 2012 #161

true, but we don't have the touch screens Merlot Nov 2012 #198

not ours. No candidate's names are written on our ballots. just numbers. robinlynne Nov 2012 #201

Here's my theory CitizenPatriot Nov 2012 #73

Cuyahoga is a big county. I believe it always comes in last. LisaL Nov 2012 #215

Speaking of unhacked donqpublic Nov 2012 #81

If that were the case Rove would have known about it. What ever it was Rove sure looked shocked. yourout Nov 2012 #96

iF you recall, Rove said he was on the phone with Husted! robinlynne Nov 2012 #106

That is another reason I think someone undid the Hack. It's actually fricking brilliant if they did. yourout Nov 2012 #109

no. Read post# 97. It explains exactly what really happened. It is important for people to be aware robinlynne Nov 2012 #113

Husted went home early ... dawnie51 Nov 2012 #83

He was probably escaping Rove's thugs. tinrobot Nov 2012 #95

we were watching Botany Nov 2012 #91

They got cold feet. FamilyMan Nov 2012 #97

exactly!!!! you get it. robinlynne Nov 2012 #110

They got cold feet. leanforward Nov 2012 #136

Everyone read post #97!!! Brilliant. n/m TheBluestEye Nov 2012 #166

Very good. n/t bleever Nov 2012 #186

Hustled realized the margin was too big Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #213

Bradblog reported this yesterday...and Fatarkis (sp?) will prosecute re: the patches amborin Nov 2012 #100

the entire state election server went down, I believe. Exactly as it happened in 2004. robinlynne Nov 2012 #108

What an entertaining thread.... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #101

I wouldn't put anything past them but am so glad that this part is over Shilo Nov 2012 #117

It is not over... FamilyMan Nov 2012 #135

and that is just Ohio. Private corporations count our votes here in blue states as well. And they t robinlynne Nov 2012 #138

link to a thread with Mark Crispin Miller's analysis of Ohio 2012, and what happened robinlynne Nov 2012 #122

Inspired by that look on his face, which was so, "Remote control ... not ... working!" DirkGently Nov 2012 #142

Occam's Razor smackd Nov 2012 #147

+1 D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #151

This is ad-hoc BS. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #150

heh RobertEarl Nov 2012 #165

Yup, thats right. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #189

I think it works without needing to be literally true DirkGently Nov 2012 #187

I'm specifically interested in the vote hacking accusation, because it is unsubstantiated. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #191

"You mad, bro? We told you we were coming." Zorra Nov 2012 #152

That's crazy talk RomneyLies Nov 2012 #168

because that never happened before musette_sf Nov 2012 #177

Yes, because it never happened before RomneyLies Nov 2012 #178

that random leap of blatant false equivalency musette_sf Nov 2012 #181

And as is always the case for the conspiracy theorists RomneyLies Nov 2012 #183

and so your best defense musette_sf Nov 2012 #184

There is no false equivalency RomneyLies Nov 2012 #185

Your belief in our government's purity is touching. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #223

You belief in long discredited conspiracy theories is disturbing. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #225

You win the "Pristine Bullet Award." Or would you prefer the "Secret Government Syphilis Testing on WinkyDink Nov 2012 #227

Its only a false equivalency if the vote flipping conspiracy is resting on better evidence. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #192

There's more than just "analysis" as evidence Tsiyu Nov 2012 #218

OK, then where is it? D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #220

Okay n/t Tsiyu Nov 2012 #231

Thats what I thought; all you have are empty assertions. n/t D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #232

+1 D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #190

I think you are on to something. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #172

Anonymous? AllyCat Nov 2012 #174

In the movie version... ThoughtCriminal Nov 2012 #188

In the video of the meltdown, he specifically mentioned Hamilton County Samantha Nov 2012 #199

This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Nov 2012 #202

Obama actually won Hamilton county. LisaL Nov 2012 #205

It was said pretty often before the election whoever won Hamilton County would win Ohio Samantha Nov 2012 #210

Not tin foil. elleng Nov 2012 #214

What I find delicious is that even though we may not know exactly what happened libdem4life Nov 2012 #216