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179. Yes, obviously.

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Fri Mar 3, 2023, 02:46 PM

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The Source of Masculine Toxicity. [View all] hippywife Mar 2023 OP

Think I'm kidding? hippywife Mar 2023 #1

Whoa!!!! That's a stunner!!! Karadeniz Mar 2023 #12

Permission homegirl Mar 2023 #140

Not surprised. halfulglas Mar 2023 #19

One judge in my recollection said that of a 5 year old and slapped the offenders Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #29

A second good read is Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #117

Wait a sec, are you talking "Gender Studies" here? Ilsa Mar 2023 #119

It is fascinating to notice that even Indian population replacement rates... GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #123

I can remember when Mexico had a higher birth rate until Ilsa Mar 2023 #125

Interestingly, higher access to TV showing successful women seemed to reduce birthrates GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #131

I think that's the book hippywife Mar 2023 #135

There are also interesting reads on global demographics recently on the BBC GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #137

Ooooh! And my library has it through Hoopla! Thank you! Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #162

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a man. JanMichael Mar 2023 #129

I can suggest reading a book called Factfulness GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #132

You just did. Looked it up. Weak tea. JanMichael Mar 2023 #139

You have positively nailed it, my dear hippywife! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2023 #2

I just downloaded it. MuseRider Mar 2023 #3

I can't imagine many things more scary... hippywife Mar 2023 #30

Yes, and this is just the tip of the iceberg of women's past tribulations, but.. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #4

We have to keep fighting battles that we won years ago, it's exhausting Walleye Mar 2023 #7

Problem is... hippywife Mar 2023 #37

No actually we have had some victories but there so much further to go Walleye Mar 2023 #42

Battles have been won, with many victories... hippywife Mar 2023 #100

I really thought when Hillary lost the election that my whole life has been for nothing kind of Walleye Mar 2023 #102

Nah... hippywife Mar 2023 #108

Not old history at all, I remember most of it Walleye Mar 2023 #5

I listened to Limbaugh for a couple of years early '90s - listening to the enemy, so to speak. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #60

Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump keithbvadu2 Mar 2023 #152

old ideas die hard treestar Mar 2023 #6

And that's the gist of my theory. hippywife Mar 2023 #10

Not to mention daughters treestar Mar 2023 #11

Other women who adhere to these ideas... hippywife Mar 2023 #13

Madeleine Albright's special place in hell Walleye Mar 2023 #43

Really?! Didn't know that! electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #71

She said something like there was a special place in hell Walleye Mar 2023 #76

Ah, then. That's a whole other (and much better) story. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #153

Dr. Laura..3 hours of day of radio beat down of women while she runs million dollar business BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2023 #118

And too many rapists are given a slap on the wrist because somehow a woman invited the rape. Lonestarblue Mar 2023 #18

Heck! hippywife Mar 2023 #20

Well, shit, if there was a man like that in my life, he'd just have to calimary Mar 2023 #81

There's a website called "We Hunted the Mammoth"... Whatthe_Firetruck Mar 2023 #149

Whoah, who started those wars? treestar Mar 2023 #160

Well Said, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2023 #8

What a fucking great post, dudette! Glamrock Mar 2023 #9

Not funny: Bang Zoom ...You're Going to the Moon! cbabe Mar 2023 #14

I was a kid watching at times, and I Hated that! electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #63

I always hated that program and could not stand Gleason. wnylib Mar 2023 #97

And when you graduated high school in 1976, women had a Constitutional right to abortion! Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #15

Nailed it. colorado_ufo Mar 2023 #16

Oh, about 25 years ago or so... hippywife Mar 2023 #21

This made my day! colorado_ufo Mar 2023 #121

Made mine when I heard about it, too. LOL nt hippywife Mar 2023 #134

Do youmg men today have any idea how to be husbands? leftyladyfrommo Mar 2023 #17

That depends on the other men in their lives, I would suppose. hippywife Mar 2023 #24

Men today Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #40

I actually think you are right on this, just look at our wonderful president Walleye Mar 2023 #46

While that's true in some cases... hippywife Mar 2023 #62

Not surprising to me is that I think of today's husbands, the best of them halfulglas Mar 2023 #104

my grandmother did treestar Mar 2023 #126

And unfortunately a few of them are on our Supreme Court momta Mar 2023 #22

Most of the men in seats of power in the government... hippywife Mar 2023 #25

The patriarchy has always demanded to start their lives ahead of half the population. lindysalsagal Mar 2023 #23

Great summation HW DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #26

You nailed it! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #27

I think anomie is a better explanation, personally. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2023 #28

That ALMOST gives them an excuse... hippywife Mar 2023 #33

Agree that it does sound almost like an excuse, wnylib Mar 2023 #115

I had to look that up. Anomie, I learned, is the deterioration of standards and values Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #34

Respectfully Disagree. Caliman73 Mar 2023 #83

I would clarify a few things: Act_of_Reparation Mar 2023 #94

Great post! Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #31

Wow mainer Mar 2023 #32

I have noticed that males are referred to young men in their teens. Delmette2.0 Mar 2023 #35

We're still continually being... hippywife Mar 2023 #38

It shows up in small ways like shaving pubic hair sanatanadharma Mar 2023 #82

I think we've failed in that hippywife Mar 2023 #85

Demographics is an interesting industry GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #120

Unless it is a trial for the rape of a child, in which case the child is often referred to as Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #39

OMG I have heard or read that one. Delmette2.0 Mar 2023 #50

Words. hippywife Mar 2023 #74

That's a pet peeve of mine. I'll call people on it. raccoon Mar 2023 #54

.... Delmette2.0 Mar 2023 #65

I HATE it when people say "young girl" and I assume they're talking about a 12/13 year old betsuni Mar 2023 #185

It's like they can't say the word woman. Delmette2.0 Mar 2023 #187

Amen, sister wryter2000 Mar 2023 #36

On the other hand.... NJCher Mar 2023 #41

I still see that attitude as part of the problem. hippywife Mar 2023 #45

that's not at all what he meant NJCher Mar 2023 #59

That's what I thought you meant electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #66

Granted I don't know your friend, and it's great that's what he wanted... hippywife Mar 2023 #67

I get what you mean by word choice. Who knows. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #70

not at all NJCher Mar 2023 #78

Still, sort of smacks of misogyny. hippywife Mar 2023 #80

under certain conditions NJCher Mar 2023 #88

The whole... hippywife Mar 2023 #91

heh NJCher Mar 2023 #98

Sadly, that whole fairy tale is just so ingrained... hippywife Mar 2023 #99

There's a great play about Elizabeth Packard, "Mrs. Packard" (link below) johnnyplankton Mar 2023 #44

Many years ago it was very easy to commit ANYONE if you really wanted to do it. oldsoftie Mar 2023 #47

That may be true... hippywife Mar 2023 #48

" Hysterical" Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #61

Yup, and it hasn't gone away. nt hippywife Mar 2023 #68

Your excellent post gave me goose bumps. I have heard these loving husband quotes: txwhitedove Mar 2023 #49

The entire system is still set up to disadvantage women. hippywife Mar 2023 #51

Interestingly... GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #180

My wife's great grandmother was committed in the 1890s CanonRay Mar 2023 #52

I'm so sorry. hippywife Mar 2023 #57

THIS. And the stuff still allowed/not allowed till the mid '70?!!!.... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #53

When I was growing up... hippywife Mar 2023 #55

Yikes! I'm so sorry to hear that...how horrific!.. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #75

There really are. hippywife Mar 2023 #79

Hmmm... because they're indoctrinated enough not want more/certain people to be free? electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #155

So my dad ... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #156

In a patriarchal culture, women are an advanced kind of livestock. TygrBright Mar 2023 #56

Moooooooo Hekate Mar 2023 #84

What so many people forget is that women have the most important job in the world GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #181

Anyone notice how angry young white men are these days?? Jon King Mar 2023 #58

True words! Hope22 Mar 2023 #64

This - hippywife Mar 2023 #77

I live with two grown white men... Hope22 Mar 2023 #87

That stupid fking Buybull story about the talking snake and blaming a woman of all of life's ills OMGWTF Mar 2023 #69

Absolutely! hippywife Mar 2023 #72

That whole stupid book is poison... Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #158

Wow. Thank you for this ismnotwasm Mar 2023 #73

🌺 Hekate Mar 2023 #86

Is that the source of toxic masculinity, or just one ugly manifestation of it? Silent3 Mar 2023 #89

It's the not a chicken and egg thing. hippywife Mar 2023 #92

I believe more men are killed by men than women are killed by men Silent3 Mar 2023 #93

More men are killed by men than kill women. hippywife Mar 2023 #96

Embedded in our systems, or our biology? Silent3 Mar 2023 #107

I have serious doubts about attributing it to biology. hippywife Mar 2023 #109

If not biology, what would cause patriarchy to be so widespread? Silent3 Mar 2023 #110

I already addressed that in the post you're responding to. hippywife Mar 2023 #112

I don't see what it is in your post that would address that point Silent3 Mar 2023 #114

There have been very few matriarchies, but wnylib Mar 2023 #124

Sorry for the delay, making dinner. hippywife Mar 2023 #128

Patriarchal societies predated monotheist religion. shrike3 Mar 2023 #148

I blame the Victorians, mostly chowmama Mar 2023 #150

I think religion is the simplest explanation malaise Mar 2023 #130

But why would patriarchy be common to so many religions? Silent3 Mar 2023 #141

You may be right malaise Mar 2023 #142

maybe because those religions were designed to keep the patriarchical order LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #168

That's just going in circles... Silent3 Mar 2023 #172

Sure, as I posted elsewhere in this thread, males are biologically stronger on average and that set LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #173

Indigenous tribes had nothing that even closely resembled religion but were still patriarchal shrike3 Mar 2023 #145

not all indigenous tribes though LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #170

Certainly, not all. shrike3 Mar 2023 #174

Agreed. It's sort of a endless struggle -- it's much easier for men to reproduce and so they will LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #175

Yes. And unfortunately, we seem to be going backward on this matter rather than forward. shrike3 Mar 2023 #177

certainly the more fair and democratic a society is, the better for women and it's a big part of LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #178

Yes, obviously. shrike3 Mar 2023 #179

I think the male's desire to perpetuate his own genes plays a part. shrike3 Mar 2023 #147

Here's another eye-opener: in2herbs Mar 2023 #90

I saw that book hippywife Mar 2023 #95

it's all about passing on that dna. all males know it might not be their kid. this is the root. mopinko Mar 2023 #101

I'm sure that has been a factor... hippywife Mar 2023 #103

well, and the other part is mopinko Mar 2023 #106

We have and still do strip the feminine from boys. hippywife Mar 2023 #116

Truth Ohio Joe Mar 2023 #105

Imprisoned for immorality book: Evidence of V cbabe Mar 2023 #111

I've not read that book... hippywife Mar 2023 #113

Great post malaise Mar 2023 #122

Misogyny runs much deeper in America than most people realize dlk Mar 2023 #127

As a woman who became a feminist as a teenager in the 60's... llmart Mar 2023 #133

And I think this part is very intentional: hippywife Mar 2023 #136

On balance, women are smarter than men GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #182

I've always felt that to be true. llmart Mar 2023 #186

Thank you for this absolutely EXCELLENT post! Wild blueberry Mar 2023 #138

Think about this.. The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #143

Oh, yeah. Fun times. chowmama Mar 2023 #144

Many thanks GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #183

You're right, the details could go on. And on. But the big memory was just how weird it all was. chowmama Mar 2023 #189

Many thanks for this GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #190

I'm still waiting to find out what the "source of masculine toxicity" is. Martin68 Mar 2023 #146

**** soldierant Mar 2023 #151

Most genuinely happy men I know are in this situation GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #184

Great post Lithos Mar 2023 #154

You're preaching to the choir BigmanPigman Mar 2023 #157

I can only list some bullet points . love_katz Mar 2023 #159

They don't think women are human like them. More like animals. betsuni Mar 2023 #161

Oh, wow! This is such a great old-time DU thread! So informative, Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #163

My father was like that. no_hypocrisy Mar 2023 #164

Wow! hippywife Mar 2023 #166

I wasn't paranoid-- He wanted to no_hypocrisy Mar 2023 #167

Backlash by Susan Faludi Marthe48 Mar 2023 #165

absolutely-- which is why so many women are not getting married these days LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #171

as a male, I hate this common male attitude, and I wish this wasn't an issue. LymphocyteLover Mar 2023 #169

We all get role modelling signals Marthe48 Mar 2023 #176

When you treat a collection of individuals, even bad ones, like a collective, you miss the point Bucky Mar 2023 #188

Another truly fascinating subject is the shrinking of the modern human brain GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #191