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Sympthsical

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70. I'm addressing the OP

Tue Mar 7, 2023, 05:37 PM

Mar 2023

Which wants to forbid specific speech from military bases.

In the vein, should some websites be blocked? They're not all good. Lots of falsehoods, terrible reporting, and shitty personalities on the internet. Should military bases be banning those?

Why/why not?

Here a hint: if someone's trying to legalese their way around why censorship of speech they dislike is totally ok - - - they're already on the wrong side of civil liberties.

The rest is just negotiating how wrong of a side they're on. A little bit authoritarian or a lot bit? And thing about that sort of thing is, even a little bit tends to grow enormously.

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Veterans Group To Pentagon: Ban Fox News On Military Bases [View all] babylonsister Mar 2023 OP

I remember O'bama commenting on how much Faux's bs Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #1

But it is played in PRISONS!!! Where it is militarizing the populations. And on military BComplex Mar 2023 #59

State prisons are under the purview of the states. soldierant Mar 2023 #85

You're so dead on mate! arthritisR_US Mar 2023 #97

Simpsons is the only Fox program that should be allowed. 3Hotdogs Mar 2023 #2

Local Fox stations MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #3

Americans in 1944 maxrandb Mar 2023 #11

What??? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #23

Something about cable Fox is to broadcast as nazis are to VWs, maybe? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #64

I am just kind of tired of folks not realizing that we are at war to save American Democracy maxrandb Mar 2023 #72

Thank you for the clarification. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #73

Sometimes that gets tricky lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #112

I wouldn't say "far" odins folly Mar 2023 #14

I live in AZ and I don't remember her spouting her bullshit MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #24

Every local station has its own ownership. Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #30

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #32

The LA Fox broadcast station is owned by Fox. onenote Mar 2023 #87

I worked there 47 years ago Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #98

Yep. Owned by Metromedia and operated as an independent station from 1963-1986 onenote Mar 2023 #102

All true. Sinclair is far worse! Grumpy Old Guy Mar 2023 #107

The Simpsons are on Fox network affiliates. Fox News is different. jaxexpat Mar 2023 #34

21st Century Fox Zeitghost Mar 2023 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete Mar 2023 #4

Not sure if they can do that, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #5

I am wondering about Fox fomenting violence GreenWave Mar 2023 #6

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2023 #108

feeling particularly profound today, hey? not very clever, though NewHendoLib Mar 2023 #109

If that is the case and I'm not certain it is, then rotate the news channels. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #9

As I said, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #10

Yes my idea too. Rotate the big 3. MSNBC, CNN Captain Zero Mar 2023 #83

I don't see it as a 1A issue... Shipwack Mar 2023 #19

What you and I see are irrelevant, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #27

1st amendment legality used to be under more scrutiny when lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #31

Fox News isn't broadcast. onenote Mar 2023 #88

Statements made with 'reckless disregard' are unprotected by First Amendment Beachnutt Mar 2023 #94

The reckless disregard standard is a high bar. onenote Mar 2023 #95

Fox news has admitted lying over and over again Beachnutt Mar 2023 #99

I never said it wasn't. But that gives rise to a claim for damages for those specific statements. onenote Mar 2023 #113

Interesting! lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #101

If the Military takes away all your stuff on first day Smackdown2019 Mar 2023 #56

What I'm seeing more of SCantiGOP Mar 2023 #62

Are our tax dollars spent on subscribing to cable Fascist Oligarch eXtremists network? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #65

Shut them the f*ck down. I don't get this, really. Is the military that clueless? Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #7

+1 TeamProg Mar 2023 #8

FINALLY! Let's get the station band on every U.S. military installation. usaf-vet Mar 2023 #12

Tucker Carlson is on Russian TV. The Wizard Mar 2023 #50

K&R onetexan Mar 2023 #75

Should have been done TWO YEARS AGOI!!! 2naSalit Mar 2023 #13

A very good argument could have been made BOSSHOG Mar 2023 #81

Good point. 2naSalit Mar 2023 #82

Military bases have carried Fox News and its predecessors for decades. mn9driver Mar 2023 #15

NOW!!!!! spanone Mar 2023 #16

Spoon fed propaganda Puppyjive Mar 2023 #17

That would be a start. How about PSA's warning of lies in media? bucolic_frolic Mar 2023 #18

The military should use Fox News as a training tool to teach recruits and longtime service members LaMouffette Mar 2023 #20

How about a rotating cycle of media from different sources? Freethinker65 Mar 2023 #21

K & R...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2023 #22

Not sure how I feel about this, always wary of censorship Amishman Mar 2023 #25

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #26

Well, I Know RobinA Mar 2023 #40

Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #41

Ya, they are not "fair & balanced" nor trustworthy. nt cstanleytech Mar 2023 #28

FOX shouldn't be in the White House or Jarqui Mar 2023 #29

Always wondered . . . PhylliPretzel Mar 2023 #33

Agree Alice Kramden Mar 2023 #35

And I don't understand those that don't understand the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #36

Does a network have a right to lie to their viewers? Baltimike Mar 2023 #38

Yes, they have the right, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #39

Yep, They Do RobinA Mar 2023 #42

So can a person scream "Fire" in a movie theatre? Baltimike Mar 2023 #45

Yea, they can, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #46

what if there is no sign of fire anywhere? Baltimike Mar 2023 #47

They can still yell it, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #49

what are those consequences? Baltimike Mar 2023 #52

Depends on the reaction to the false claim that there is a fire. onenote Mar 2023 #92

Read post #94 on this thread Beachnutt Mar 2023 #103

I am with you DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #44

Thanks DENVERPOPS. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #48

I forgot her name DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #53

Not asking for a law; asking that our money not be spent to pipe that stuff to troops. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #66

Yes fox is protecting overthrowing the government every day they have no business being kimbutgar Mar 2023 #37

Yes! It's Propaganda.. Proven LIES! Cha Mar 2023 #43

It's so heartening to see this warning/demand FINALLY getting some steam ! Pluvious Mar 2023 #51

People just really don't like the First Amendment these days Sympthsical Mar 2023 #54

How would the 1st Amendment be violated by ceasing to pay for cable Fox? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #67

I'm addressing the OP Sympthsical Mar 2023 #70

The "banning" from military bases and prisons does not involve the 1st Amendment. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #71

I think you should just own what you want to do Sympthsical Mar 2023 #74

You should make sense. Where does the Constitution guarantee cable subscriptions? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #86

as a matter of first amendment jurisprudence onenote Mar 2023 #93

Is disinformation protected? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #96

The provision does not allow military bases to determine the content of cable service onenote Mar 2023 #104

Thank you. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #110

If the basis for that decision is Fox News' content, it is a first amendment issue. onenote Mar 2023 #89

Does the military provide Isis recruitment tv to troops? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #90

Imagine the reaction madville Mar 2023 #78

agree republianmushroom Mar 2023 #55

This should have happened when Rush Limbaugh was alive. Make it happen NOW! Samrob Mar 2023 #57

Yes! When I was living in Japan and somebody had Armed forces Radio turned on, I used to hate Martin68 Mar 2023 #58

We had AFRN as our only radio station in bush Alaska SonofDonald Mar 2023 #63

I worked at Joint Base Lewis/McChord SonofDonald Mar 2023 #60

Many of us blocked Fox on our parents tv by passwording the remote Maggiemayhem Mar 2023 #69

Terrific ad! colorado_ufo Mar 2023 #61

I work at the Pentagon COL Mustard Mar 2023 #76

When I was in the military and went to the Base Exchange, Every TV Set was on FOX 40RatRod Mar 2023 #77

And 40 years of Rushbo on Armed Services network. The propoganda has worked for the asshats. Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #79

Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2023 #80

When I was in the Air Force stationed in Germany... SeattleVet Mar 2023 #84

Armed Forces Network News shows programs from various networks, including MSNBC, not just Fox News onenote Mar 2023 #91

Even if you don't ban it SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #100

The very least they could do...short of banning FOX kentuck Mar 2023 #105

Armed Forces Network News already presents programming from multiple news channels onenote Mar 2023 #111

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