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92. I wasn't a Hillary person at all....

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:54 AM

Nov 2012

....harbored no ill will towards his backing of Obama in '08, and I pretty much agree with LynneSin's assessment.

John Kerry was our version of Mitt Romney.

Now before you jump down my throat (which you will anyway), John Kerry is a great man, an American hero, and has done more for this nation than Shitt Rmoney will ever do in a 100 lifetimes.

But let's toss aside the person and look at the politician.

He had a problem connecting with people. Not the people who showed up to rallies for him, many I assume who would have done the same if our 2004 nominee had been John Edwards, or Howard Dean, or Wes Clark. Partisans will show up to support the party regardless. I'm talking the average swing voter who isn't a Republican or a Democrat. He was aloof, not as much as Shitt, but enough to not sway and motivate certain folks who were swayed and motivated by Barack.

Shitt Rmoney got 58 million votes and a lot of people to show up to his rallies too. But in the end, I've always believed you can't beat something with nothing. And for whatever reason John Kerry didn't present himself as something to enough people. The GOP is choking on the same lesson we did in '04. Hating the other guy is not enough.

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No more Kerry's... [View all] piechartking Nov 2012 OP

Kerry lost because of shenanigans in Ohio. muntrv Nov 2012 #1

And not fighting the Swift Boat lies TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #20

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Rove better watch his own back... TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #23

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that swift boating thing was disgraceful liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #77

Kerry fell into the Wonk Trap. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #105

Things sure change fast politicasista Nov 2012 #108

Kerry won all three debates. He was BETTER than Obama on this karynnj Nov 2012 #110

Kick for more facts n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #112

Both wrong karynnj Nov 2012 #107

Kick politicasista Nov 2012 #109

Kerry was never a strong candidate and our campaign was basically 'Anyone But Bush' LynneSin Nov 2012 #29

Sounds like you don't like him politicasista Nov 2012 #30

I guess you never bothered reading the rest of the post LynneSin Nov 2012 #35

No did read it, but politicasista Nov 2012 #38

So true. It fed into their portrayal of him as an elitist, moneyed and effete coward. zonkers Nov 2012 #106

Not really, some are just angry at Kerry because politicasista Nov 2012 #111

I wasn't a Hillary person at all.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #92

Not going to jump down your throat politicasista Nov 2012 #101

If Kerry would have been given what the media usually gives all candidates, he would have won karynnj Nov 2012 #115

Completely disagree. ProSense Nov 2012 #32

+1 politicasista Nov 2012 #40

Has there even been strong presidential candidate from MA since JFK? pstokely Nov 2012 #54

I think Teddy could have been LynneSin Nov 2012 #94

Strange how so many in this thread are letting Edwards, MSM & MIA Dems off the hook n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #125

Can't think of any southern Democrat that has a remote chance of winning. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #2

That's what they said in 1988 Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #47

I see you didn't mention a possible candidate from the south. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #98

Was anyone mentioning Jimmy Carter in 1972? Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #99

Kerry came close, he made some mistakes that if he could go back would give him the win JI7 Nov 2012 #3

Get it straight: Bush/Cheney/Rove STOLE OHIO in '04 garthranzz Nov 2012 #4

Who ever is best for the job will be nominated, no matter ethnicity or regionality. lumpy Nov 2012 #5

so you would write off Elizabeth Warren ? JI7 Nov 2012 #6

I Would Pay Good Money To See............ ChoppinBroccoli Nov 2012 #11

Good question n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #42

No, I think Elizabeth Warren would be good! piechartking Nov 2012 #43

ok n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #46

"Thoughts?" ProSense Nov 2012 #7

No answers coming, it seems. The OP threw this out there 2 hrs. ago and hasn't been seen since. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #25

I don't care if people agree or not... piechartking Nov 2012 #44

... politicasista Nov 2012 #51

I'm ready to work for Hillary louis c Nov 2012 #8

gee. I think we should nominate the best person- regardless of gender or race. cali Nov 2012 #9

Truly...That is what democracy is all about. lumpy Nov 2012 #10

If only there were frogmarch Nov 2012 #12

+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #18

i don't think we can agree on anything. spanone Nov 2012 #13

We no longer need the South to win. sadbear Nov 2012 #14

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I have a feeling Brian from Montana will run to marlakay Nov 2012 #16

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FDR was rich, won 4 different terms and by good numbers too...he was white and IN TOUCH with working uponit7771 Nov 2012 #19

Kerry still would've made for a hell of a president. He's a damn fine man! n/t cynatnite Nov 2012 #22

They don't care politicasista Nov 2012 #24

Oh I agreed but he didn't run a good campaign LynneSin Nov 2012 #31

This was 2004 ProSense Nov 2012 #33

Good points there LynneSin Nov 2012 #36

you think Kucinich would have won in 2004 ? or even 2008 ? JI7 Nov 2012 #45

Progressive Dems had crossed anyone who voted for Bush's war off their list in 2004. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #62

Would rather take ProSense, politicasista Nov 2012 #65

I don't care what you 'would rather' believe. I have stated facts. Kerry was at 3% sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #67

Kerry was higher than 3 percent before he went down to 3 percent with prostate cancer JI7 Nov 2012 #69

You know nothing about me. I was on an independent news site as a moderator at that time sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #80

and i was on the ground and talked to other people on the ground in iowa, nh and elsewhere JI7 Nov 2012 #81

And I was on the ground also and it is a fact that Kerry and any candidate who voted sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #89

Dean had far more money than Kerry karynnj Nov 2012 #117

He reached somebody politicasista Nov 2012 #70

The primaries were not nasty then at all. They were exciting and hopeful. We had so many sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #72

Still haven't answered the question tho politicasista Nov 2012 #75

That question has been answered. People like me who supported candidates who had sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #84

Nope it hasn't politicasista Nov 2012 #87

You are too busy conjuring up motives for people that you are not paying attention to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #90

Sounds like Faux news n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #103

and most people didn't think Kerry wanted war, just like most people don't blame Obama for the JI7 Nov 2012 #83

If Kerry didn't want war, he should have joined Kucinich, Byrd and all the other Dems who sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #86

Kerry spoke of the vote being wrong before Hillary or Edwrds karynnj Nov 2012 #118

Thank you for your response. I knew about Dean's statements. Which is why my choice sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #122

Clark's statements were not crystal clear either karynnj Nov 2012 #123

Clark absolutely opposed the war. He made some confusing statements only once. That sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #124

In the last three months of 2003, Kerry was NOT getting much from karynnj Nov 2012 #127

Kick for truth n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #128

and there were Republicans shocked at Romney's loss , if you go by big media JI7 Nov 2012 #71

Well if I had ever relied on our propaganda machine you would have a point. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #78

I don't think he could have but I think Dean could have won LynneSin Nov 2012 #95

Not really politicasista Nov 2012 #100

Neither would had the ability in the debates that Kerry had karynnj Nov 2012 #116

Remember the definition of marriage crap that got put on ballots across the country? cynatnite Nov 2012 #50

And Kerry got blamed from someone tweeting him for looking the other way politicasista Nov 2012 #57

Guess the media and the M.I.A. Dem surrogates are off the hook. politicasista Nov 2012 #34

They did the same thing to Obama in 2008 and 2012 LynneSin Nov 2012 #37

And he had Dem surrogates that sided with him, not against him politicasista Nov 2012 #39

No, he didn't take the swiftboaters seriously... cynatnite Nov 2012 #49

Thanks to Cahill and Shrum politicasista Nov 2012 #60

+1000! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #68

......indeed kwolf68 Nov 2012 #27

If find racism of all stripes distasteful. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #28

+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #48

I'm the OP, and I'm sorry I offended anyone, but that's just my opinion... piechartking Nov 2012 #41

John Kerry would have been an exceptional president. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #52

Must be all the SOS rumors politicasista Nov 2012 #53

JK as sec of state would be outstanding. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #55

+1 politicasista Nov 2012 #58

I think Kerry would have been a great Prez, will be great in the Cabinet... piechartking Nov 2012 #56

Ok. Obama was green in 04 politicasista Nov 2012 #59

No, not singling Kerry out. piechartking Nov 2012 #61

Ok. Fair enough politicasista Nov 2012 #63

We should focus on holding Congress seats and making a few pickups in 2014. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #64

Beyond Clinton, our bench is as thin as the republican bench. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #66

I agree that we need to focus on 2014 piechartking Nov 2012 #73

We have been lucky.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #93

charisma does seem to be a must these days liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #74

Strange. Kerry had charisma in 2000, but none in 2004 politicasista Nov 2012 #76

I never said I didn't like him liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #79

You're fine politicasista Nov 2012 #82

We should nominate candidates standingtall Nov 2012 #85

Pretending that demographics don't exist is also... piechartking Nov 2012 #88

Not pretending demographics does not exist standingtall Nov 2012 #91

We should nominate the best person for the job Marrah_G Nov 2012 #96

^^^^ +1 fucking thousand!! madinmaryland Nov 2012 #126

It works like this quaker bill Nov 2012 #97

Un recced. no text. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #102

Senator Kerry nearly pulled off an incredible victory in 2004 karynnj Nov 2012 #104

Isn't it the repub state legislatures Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #113

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It makes me sad that it will probably be another 30 years democrattotheend Nov 2012 #119

Which one of those categories did Kennedy fit into? tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #120

Kicking for the REAL, truthful facts in this thread politicasista Nov 2012 #121