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BrendaBrick

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53. "Declaratory Judgment"

Mon Jan 16, 2012, 07:46 PM

Jan 2012

Thank you gratuitous for your response and in explaining this term. I'm with you in that even if the suit doesn't survive, Plan B would be that it would at least lead to public discussion (and scrutiny) about this legislation.

I sure would like to think so! And who knows? Maybe the lawyer's guild behind the Occupy Movement (I can't recall their exact name, though Olbermann has a representative on from time to time) might already be on top of this as well, since it seems as Hedges has pointed out in the last paragraph:

"But it passed anyway. And I suspect it passed because the corporations, seeing the unrest in the streets, knowing that things are about to get much worse, worrying that the Occupy movement will expand, do not trust the police to protect them. They want to be able to call in the Army. And now they can."

I sure as heck do not want to get unduly alarmed here...but it just seems to me that somethin' somethin' just ain't on the square here...

I hope I'm wrong.

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Chris Hedges: Why I’m Suing Barack Obama [View all] Karmadillo Jan 2012 OP

Chris Hedges is one of the most credible speakers in opposition to truth2power Jan 2012 #1

+1 proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #2

Why sue him? Didn't Obama say his administration is looking to repeal it? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #33

He can't sue President Romney, let alone President Palin Jim Lane Jan 2012 #40

Obama just signed it Enrique Jan 2012 #45

And in the signing statement he says his administration will work on repeals of certain provisions. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #59

Awesome. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #67

Back to reality. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #99

Sure he will. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #75

GITMO is still open because a 90-6 SENATE BLOCKED it's closure. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #98

I didn't see Obama using the bully pulpit UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #100

Don't need funding to abandon it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #103

one of our members got a letter from his rep, swearing that, during conference, the reference to US niyad Jan 2012 #3

Chris Hedges... rbnyc Jan 2012 #4

How ProSense Jan 2012 #5

Party above all else, huh? MinervaX Jan 2012 #6

No ProSense Jan 2012 #7

You mean MinervaX Jan 2012 #10

Oakland mayor Jean Quan is a "progressive" Democrat Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #13

No ProSense Jan 2012 #14

Again, when using Bush as a measuring stick for Obama MinervaX Jan 2012 #19

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #24

As was Hedges. Chris Hedges was against the war before it started, and was one of the most Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #29

I would like to associate myself with your statement Agony Jan 2012 #55

Why? Making stuff up works for Republicans. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #76

"Stop with the revisionist history and outright making stuff up." bvar22 Jan 2012 #92

Find me one thing that Chris Hedges ever wrote hyping the war donheld Jan 2012 #61

Hedges lost his job at the NYT despite his Pullitzer BECAUSE he spoke out against the Iraq invasion. snot Jan 2012 #63

What President are you using as a measuring stick? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #30

Perhaps he didn't sue Bush because he hoped we'd elect a Democratic President Matariki Jan 2012 #65

No, because like the rest of us at that time, he thought we had options, that once we elected sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #68

As an #Occupier who is watching increasingly militarized police harass and profile us Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #11

Martin Luther King Jr would not be proud of Obama MinervaX Jan 2012 #18

Ouch. There it is, in a nutshell. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #20

That' a weird thing to say. You forgot the IMHO, because there is no way you could possibly know. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #32

I disagree. Number23 Jan 2012 #48

At least you admit MinervaX Jan 2012 #77

But you don't admit that yours is. So exactly who is being "idiotic" here? Number23 Jan 2012 #101

That's a kneeslapper. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #28

ROFLMFAO.... SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #31

so the case has no merit? Enrique Jan 2012 #16

No one ever seems to get an answer to that question Aerows Jan 2012 #35

Propaganda Hawkowl Jan 2012 #21

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #25

No critical thinking Hawkowl Jan 2012 #37

How would this signing statement affect future (possible malicious) administrations? annabanana Jan 2012 #51

Tee-hee. Hedges is "working within the system" as the moderates advise. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #8

Did ProSense Jan 2012 #12

Did he sue Clinton? Or, Carter? LBJ? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #17

No, he worked to elect Democrats thinking that was the solution. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #69

Thank you very much for posting this! nt Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #9

It'll be thrown out. It's PR is all. Govt officials have immunity from litigation... Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #15

Hamdi v Rumsfeld Enrique Jan 2012 #23

+1 BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #44

Hamdi had standing. Hedges doesn't. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #56

Hedges is right, but a court won't touch it gratuitous Jan 2012 #22

Yes. It means we all have to fight back, to do something, anything Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #26

True fact gratuitous Jan 2012 #27

++ n/t hootinholler Jan 2012 #36

OFF-TOPIC: Hey, could you change the [center] tags in your sig? Make7 Jan 2012 #39

More a side effect hootinholler Jan 2012 #41

Cool HTML code. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #79

Do you think it might have at least some merit simply because some of the language/definitions BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #46

Depends on the complaint gratuitous Jan 2012 #47

"Declaratory Judgment" BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #53

Could a class action suit be filed by the American People, who I would think do have standing sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #70

The court will bounce it on standing. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #57

Thank you MFrohike Jan 2012 #34

Standing will be the issue treestar Jan 2012 #42

He's a citizen, that's all the standing he needs if he can show how this law applies to him. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #71

The ACLU has this: BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #74

Not true, if you go into court - the issue will come up treestar Jan 2012 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Jan 2012 #106

Prolly just another publicity stunt gratuitous Jan 2012 #108

Kick Scurrilous Jan 2012 #38

I know. These threads are always a rich and satisfying source of unintentional DUzys Number23 Jan 2012 #49

LOL Scurrilous Jan 2012 #54

Well, having read the complaint, I'm inclined to think Chris Hedges needed a publicity stunt. msanthrope Jan 2012 #43

Funny stuff since the Senate passed NDAA in a veto-proof vote of 86-14. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #52

Just noticed your posting of this article. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #50

Thanks for posting this article. K & R n/t mojowork_n Jan 2012 #58

Whether the suit has 'standing' or not, this deserves the attention bertman Jan 2012 #60

Provisions in NDAA Purposely Set Up To Fail markhalfmoon Jan 2012 #62

I cherish that thought, thank you........nt dougolat Jan 2012 #109

He can join 1stlady Jan 2012 #64

So Chris Hedges is now racist? Your post makes no sense Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #66

You don't know Chris Hedges obviously. Before making any more statements like this, which is sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #72

Wow 1stlady Jan 2012 #73

Bullshit. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2012 #80

Can't give a link because she/he's cleaning her computer Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #84

You base your beliefs on rumors? lunatica Jan 2012 #81

LOL EFerrari Jan 2012 #85

You richly deserve pecwae Jan 2012 #87

Well, you can't say people didn't try to help you maintain some iota of credibility. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #96

I thought Hedges died a couple of weeks ago. Skidmore Jan 2012 #78

That was someone else BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #82

Christopher Hitchens vs Chris Hedges Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #83

Chris Hedges is alive and well and on Amy's show today talking about this. EFerrari Jan 2012 #86

This is the bottom line: gateley Jan 2012 #88

+1 Ichingcarpenter Jan 2012 #89

Exactly. There's that "fear" thing again. Sure works well. nt gateley Jan 2012 #93

If you want confirmation of the cynicism of these tactics EFerrari Jan 2012 #90

Agree, but I think they view themselves as true patriots, much like those who are for gateley Jan 2012 #94

No. Cablegate shows no such self image. EFerrari Jan 2012 #95

Well, I'll stop trying to give them even a modicum of the benefit of the doubt -- gateley Jan 2012 #97

We're not far apart in age, gateley. EFerrari Jan 2012 #107

Hahahaha!!!!! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #102

Perhaps the matter will be settled out of court ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #104

Adding a link for a duplicate thread. Rex Jan 2012 #105