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In reply to the discussion: Romney would have won if it had all come down to Ohio - Harvey Wasserman [View all]flamingdem
(40,922 posts)21. Here's a good overview of what happened plus sources to check out
http://markcrispinmiller.com/2012/11/score-one-at-last-for-the-election-integrity-movement/
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Score one (at last) for the Election Integrity movement!
Late last night, after Obama took Ohio, Karl Rove was on Fox News, doggedly refusing to concede. He insisted that Ohio was still in play, as Romney was going to win in Hamilton Countywhere the votes were counted on machines made and maintained by Hart InterCivic, a company effectively controlled by Romneys family. (The same machines were also used in Williams County.)
So its not surprising that the GOPs Lord Voldemort foresaw an upset victory in that county. It is surprising that he said it on Fox News, and when the game was obviously lost, so that a sudden Romney victory in Ohio would have seemed especially suspiciouseven in the eyes of Roves old allies on Fox News (or those not in the loop).
To those of us with vivid memories of Election Nights 2000 and 2004, it was a creepy momentand things got even creepier when Brad Friedman reported that the website of the Ohio SoS had suddenly gone down, which had also happened at that very hour eight years before; and when it had come back on, Kerry, who had been ahead, was now behind. Andhorriblythe rest was history.
But that didnt happen this time, as Rove had obviously lost controlof himself (his recklessness in mouthing off like that was staggering), and, infinitely more important, of his well-oiled, fabulously subsidized election-theft machine. For all his plans, and all the preparations made by Ohio SoS Jon Husted (among others), Rove was clearly overruled on this Election Day, as cooler heads prevailed.
The fact is that, this time, yet another late-night upset victory would have been too riskyfor the US press had finally done its job, enough to make a lot of people conscious of whats happened to our voting system, and, therefore,of what could happen to let Romney win.
The honor roll includes, among many others, Harpers (for publishing Victoria Colliers brilliant overview), the Atlantic, Esquire, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes (which came out with a killer piece about Ohios voting system early on Election Day), Huffington Post, and even DailyKos (which had been fervently denialist since 2004).
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Score one (at last) for the Election Integrity movement!
Late last night, after Obama took Ohio, Karl Rove was on Fox News, doggedly refusing to concede. He insisted that Ohio was still in play, as Romney was going to win in Hamilton Countywhere the votes were counted on machines made and maintained by Hart InterCivic, a company effectively controlled by Romneys family. (The same machines were also used in Williams County.)
So its not surprising that the GOPs Lord Voldemort foresaw an upset victory in that county. It is surprising that he said it on Fox News, and when the game was obviously lost, so that a sudden Romney victory in Ohio would have seemed especially suspiciouseven in the eyes of Roves old allies on Fox News (or those not in the loop).
To those of us with vivid memories of Election Nights 2000 and 2004, it was a creepy momentand things got even creepier when Brad Friedman reported that the website of the Ohio SoS had suddenly gone down, which had also happened at that very hour eight years before; and when it had come back on, Kerry, who had been ahead, was now behind. Andhorriblythe rest was history.
But that didnt happen this time, as Rove had obviously lost controlof himself (his recklessness in mouthing off like that was staggering), and, infinitely more important, of his well-oiled, fabulously subsidized election-theft machine. For all his plans, and all the preparations made by Ohio SoS Jon Husted (among others), Rove was clearly overruled on this Election Day, as cooler heads prevailed.
The fact is that, this time, yet another late-night upset victory would have been too riskyfor the US press had finally done its job, enough to make a lot of people conscious of whats happened to our voting system, and, therefore,of what could happen to let Romney win.
The honor roll includes, among many others, Harpers (for publishing Victoria Colliers brilliant overview), the Atlantic, Esquire, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes (which came out with a killer piece about Ohios voting system early on Election Day), Huffington Post, and even DailyKos (which had been fervently denialist since 2004).
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Romney would have won if it had all come down to Ohio - Harvey Wasserman [View all]
flamingdem
Nov 2012
OP
I appreciate your comment on the thread about the Repub's attempt to split PA's electoral vote block
John1956PA
Nov 2012
#14
This is exactly right, but since we have to push past the incredulousness of people on the left
flamingdem
Nov 2012
#29
Problems (and fraud) SHOULD be fixed. But Obama hit 270 BEFORE Ohio was called.
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#56
I can see that. How did anyone get suckered into going with those machines anyway?
brewens
Nov 2012
#58
As bad as Truthers, Birthers, poll unskewers, and moon landing deniers, IMO n/t
RomneyLies
Nov 2012
#12
I agree. There is a contingent on the left who likes to attack attempts to protect voting integrity
flamingdem
Nov 2012
#27
didn't Nate just say we did not need Ohio and Florida (combined) this time? eom
amborin
Nov 2012
#11
no we did not. As soon as they called colorado and nevada, it was a done deal.
sammytko
Nov 2012
#16
The Patriots would have won the Super Bowl had they scored more points than the Giants!
Johonny
Nov 2012
#19
Once you have motive, opportunity, and know way to verify how does it matter?
TheKentuckian
Nov 2012
#62
I think there's a real possibility that Ohio WAS rigged by the Republicans.
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#49
There they go again. No, that's not the truth. Obama didn't NEED Ohio to win. CO brought it home.
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#54