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Judi Lynn

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44. You have to remember emotionally it had to be like a pressure cooker in that house!
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 01:11 AM
Mar 2023

The crowds of "exiles" surrounded the house from morning until very late at night, his great-cousin, Marysleysis chewed the curtains continually, hysterically, totally immersed in her tv camera character she pulled out from her lower region for her daily tv appearances, they were surrounded by cameras, reporters, the hierarchy of the Miami "exile" political structure, the mayor, Cuban Congressmen and women, being dragged out of the house and driven up to Disney World for publicity photos, being given a Labrador puppy by the mayor, for Elian, and all those publicity photos, being given a free entry into the local "exile" owned Lincoln Marti private school, the insane evening they kept him awake all night, sitting on the middle of a bed, rehearsing a speech to say to the camera pretending he was sending a message to his dad, Juan Miguel, saying "I do not want to go back to Cuba" while he was barely conscious, so tired and disoriented, etc., etc., etc.

As some papers indicated later, there were armed militants holed up in the houses around the Gonzalez house, ready to shoot the noses off the "Feds" if they dared to show their faces to legally retrieve the little guy. They did, fortunately, not see fit to be awake when the "Feds" did show up after midnight. That's a good thing. Of course, some of them howled and screeched that the agents had brutalized them, and one of those loons wore a neck brace well after, claiming he was really, really scuffed up bad!



The guy who was hiding the kid in a closet in the early hours pretending he has been mortally wounded.

Remember, the court had already ordered the great uncle to let him go to his father.

Marysleysis had informed Janet Reno on the phone, who was speaking with her, that some people around there had guns. That was her sideways threat of violence.

Orlando Bosch, this guy, the other Cubana air liner bomber,



had already been in and out of that house personally, and was close at hand, possibly staying in one of the neighboring houses.

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TY for the No Paywall! I wanted Cha Mar 2023 #1
He has been interviewed by ABC, and other large news organizations, personally. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #15
Mahalo, Judi Lynn! Cha Mar 2023 #16
Yup, she didn't make it, nor her boyfriend. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #37
Mahalo for this.. Cha Mar 2023 #42
Long green. Moolah. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #52
Anne Louise Bardach, former NY Times reporter who wrote "Miami Confidential" Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #41
I have no idea how or why Cuban "exiles" are the holders of the torch of freedom. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #45
It's a complete mystery, isn't it? A total lost cause. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #51
Horrifying Bombing Innocent Cha Mar 2023 #48
They have named streets after the bombers in Miami. Posada-Carilles and Orlando Bosch. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #54
Wow.. yeah I was in that Cha Mar 2023 #125
Don't forget about the firing squads and detention of political opposition BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #102
You do know that several US states have restarted firing squads don't you? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #121
I remember reading at the time kskiska Mar 2023 #90
Cubans visiting family in the US is a regular thing. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #122
The 1% of Cubans who can afford to travel you mean? EX500rider Mar 2023 #129
And how many Cuban Pesos does that convert to? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #131
When it comes to buying plane tickets it matters EX500rider Mar 2023 #133
Yep. As you are noting, they're economic refugees. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #140
That and the political oppression & the lack of free speech EX500rider Mar 2023 #142
Yeah sure. Castro and the evil regime forces universal ed and health care on them. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #145
That doesn't mean too much EX500rider Mar 2023 #146
Cuba is not the Soviet Union. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #147
No, just another failed communist economy. EX500rider Mar 2023 #149
Uh huh. Sure. You're the expert. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #150
Sorry US embargo or not, when your main products are sugar & cigars.. EX500rider Mar 2023 #153
Your point is null and void, and deliberately misleading. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #154
Perhaps you should look up who Cuba's biggest trading partners are EX500rider Mar 2023 #155
And does this trade include companies/products sold in the USA? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #156
Feel free to point out one command economy that ever worked out well EX500rider Mar 2023 #157
Define "worked out well". Marcus IM Mar 2023 #158
Yes everyone's equally poor that's great.. EX500rider Mar 2023 #159
You are describing America. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #161
Google average American income EX500rider Mar 2023 #168
average works like this... Marcus IM Mar 2023 #169
I doubt Bill Gates would move the avg income needle at all EX500rider Mar 2023 #171
".....and democratic socialist equity" lol, it's a one party state EX500rider Mar 2023 #170
You post 2012 pics of Hurricane Sandy damage to Santiago as a claim? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #174
Actually I googled housing in Cuba EX500rider Mar 2023 #175
You are correct malaise Mar 2023 #172
Yep. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #173
Thanks so much for the photos, Judi Lynn! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #20
It was a stupendous photo, wasn't it? The transformation in the kid's face was so clear! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #32
I sure agree, that infamous photo of that terrified child was striking, one that can't be forgotten Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #33
You have to remember emotionally it had to be like a pressure cooker in that house! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #44
I remember how they would send him out in the yard to play kskiska Mar 2023 #94
The crowds literally occupied the street for the entire debacle. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #98
I live in Miami. You should have seen the local media pandering to the CANF kidnappers. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #47
Thank you, so much, for that clarification. It answers so many questions for me. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #55
You nailed it malaise Mar 2023 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #66
Castro is gone. No longer forcing them to smile. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #23
Oh, yes! So true! He secretly threatens to kill them if they don't act happy! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #35
Yes, they were terribly happy EX500rider Mar 2023 #82
Why else? How do you explain other LatAm migration to the US. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #84
Sorry, there's no way he's 29; that would make me...old. NullTuples Mar 2023 #2
In Cuba he has to pay back his massive school loan for that engineering degree. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #61
Agree! I don't understand how everyone gets older except for me lol! toesonthenose Mar 2023 #69
He was never cherished in Miami malaise Mar 2023 #3
He would have become a GQP political tool to this very day. Samrob Mar 2023 #4
She followed International Law malaise Mar 2023 #6
Except in Miami, the mother might have been charged with child endangerment had she survived. n/t Marcus IM Mar 2023 #7
So true! As you remember, the adult female survivor returned her daughter to Cuba, Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #46
All the other survivors returned to Cuba. Life was too hard in Miami. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #49
I've thought of that so many times. What a culture shock! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #56
I agree with you, malaise. Miami smothered that poor kid for political reasons. Deuxcents Mar 2023 #8
It was the CANF and the hard line so-called exiles.Not Miami. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #10
You are correct malaise Mar 2023 #11
So did I. I know everyone in Miami was not involved..for instance...my family. Deuxcents Mar 2023 #18
Ha malaise Mar 2023 #19
Glad you said Lincoln Diaz-Balart was the one who bestowed the beautiful pup. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #50
I cannot watch Jose Diaz-Balart on MSNBC. He was full throated in his support for the kidnapping. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #53
Good for you! I heard him trying to work in anti-Cuba gibberish and left, at the first. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #57
The CANF used airline bomber/murderer Orlando Bosch as his pediatric doctor. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #58
Thanks for the pics malaise Mar 2023 #64
Is that the one hour you don't watch MSNBC? BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #101
CORRECT Skittles Mar 2023 #9
Had nothing to do w/his father being unfit. That was a BS RW talking point/lie. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #59
fitness of a parent is usually a consideration in custody disputes Skittles Mar 2023 #60
Yep. Where there is jurisdiction. And that was in Cuba. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #62
No one said the allegation was REAL. The idea was that Hortensis Mar 2023 #123
I agree w/you 100% Marcus IM Mar 2023 #124
:) Knew you did. As far as THAT goes. Hortensis Mar 2023 #127
I understand your points. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #132
:) Cheerio. Nice to chat with someone who does the homework. Hortensis Mar 2023 #143
If the "Miami Relatives" had raised him kskiska Mar 2023 #28
Great post malaise Mar 2023 #141
Miami Hurled bullshite. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #5
THIS malaise Mar 2023 #12
Let's not spread nonsense. There are not fair and free elections in Cuba. tritsofme Mar 2023 #13
They sure are free from the billionaires malaise Mar 2023 #21
What about all those pics of Swiss skiing trips and Monaco condos by the Castros? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #24
ROFL malaise Mar 2023 #63
The whole country being poor is not really a great talking point IMO EX500rider Mar 2023 #130
Well, if you measure the greatest amount of wealth in the hands of the fewest, Cuba has failed. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #134
Conversely if you measure the largest amount of poor people EX500rider Mar 2023 #135
If you only use peso income as a measure, you're way off course. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #137
Yes that's why so many Americans try to get there by raft EX500rider Mar 2023 #138
Over a ten year waiting list for Americans who seek to emigrate to Canada. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #139
I lived there during elections. Have family there. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #22
Ballots are counted and tabulated in public. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #25
Thanks for posting. I've visited Cuba and know a bit about them but still have a lot to learn. groundloop Mar 2023 #30
Lots of kybd commando experts on Cuba. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #43
Maybe you could return there permanently BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #100
Can you link to any post of mine that claims Cuba is a paradise? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #103
Up and down the thread, so there's that BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #104
So, not supporting policies that harm my family is evidence that I don't like the USA? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #105
I can't stand present day America and most Americans BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #106
Please point out where I have romanticized Castro? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #108
If I was pointing out the positive qualities of the Netherlands, would you say the same? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #107
I was really glad when he was rescued from the kidnappers. David__77 Mar 2023 #14
Whatever happened to the Miami family? Archae Mar 2023 #17
They had problems with the law well before Elin floated into town, if you'll recall. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #26
The sons had been in jail even back then kskiska Mar 2023 #29
He looks well fed & well laid UTUSN Mar 2023 #27
He's a big defender of Cuba and their government Polybius Mar 2023 #34
Do tell. What is wrong with him defending his country and system of gov't? n/t Marcus IM Mar 2023 #36
This is Democratic Underground, and it's awesome Polybius Mar 2023 #38
OK. Not that that is an answer. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #39
The answer will only cause an argument Polybius Mar 2023 #40
he US approach to the Cuban government is no different than malaise Mar 2023 #67
I've lived in a dictatorship with a rubber stamp legislature.... brooklynite Mar 2023 #68
Tell that to your BananaReTHUG party malaise Mar 2023 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #71
Cubans get to decide that. Not anyone else. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #72
"No party selects any candidate for any slate of candidates. " brooklynite Mar 2023 #73
What does that mean "in opposition to the gov't"? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #75
Some lovely straw men... brooklynite Mar 2023 #77
No one is trying to convince you of any such thing. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #81
In North Korea, not every member is in the Workers Party.... brooklynite Mar 2023 #85
Oswaldo Paya, former leader of the Cuban Christian Democratic Party, for one. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #89
"I don't get why you would think they would elect someone who opposes their gov't." brooklynite Mar 2023 #92
Huh? Why would Dems vote for what they don't agree with. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #95
"Cuba has a very vibrant and diverse democracy." lol EX500rider Mar 2023 #86
Fidel Castro was their Head of State. Not the leader. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #91
Yes & Stalin wasn't the President of the Soviet Union either. EX500rider Mar 2023 #113
I'm sure your expertise on Soviet and Cuban political structures is vast. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #116
Pointing out what HWR & Amnesty Int & ReportersWithoutBorders says.. EX500rider Mar 2023 #117
"Cubans get to decide that. Not anyone else." brooklynite Mar 2023 #74
Nope. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #76
Your billionaires get to decide malaise Mar 2023 #78
Joe Biden, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are billionaires? Who knew? brooklynite Mar 2023 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #79
You are aware that communism is an economic system, like capitalism is an economic system Marcus IM Mar 2023 #186
A one party police state? Would could be wrong with that? lol EX500rider Mar 2023 #83
No, no, no... brooklynite Mar 2023 #87
Straw man arguments R you. n/t Marcus IM Mar 2023 #93
You have been disabused of this before. Yet you continue to repeat your false claim. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #88
Again: EX500rider Mar 2023 #109
You know where they get their "data"? IRI and NED funded Cubanet. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #110
"Reporters Without Borders do not have any reporters there." EX500rider Mar 2023 #112
Reporters Without Borders receives funding from NED Marcus IM Mar 2023 #165
The annual Democracy Index puts Cuba at 139th. Mosby Mar 2023 #111
Well. An observation. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #114
Still zero proof from you that ALL human rights orgs somehow are hoodwinked by "Cubanet reports" EX500rider Mar 2023 #118
it's like saying that you believe that Fox News was hoodwinked, rather than profit motives. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #119
Except HRW and Amnesty Inter aren't Fox and are to be believed. EX500rider Mar 2023 #126
Profit motives? EX500rider Mar 2023 #128
They survive on IRI and NED money. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #136
Who controls that. malaise Mar 2023 #160
The IRI, NED, Carnegie, Rockefeller and Mellon Scaiffe foundation are some major funders Marcus IM Mar 2023 #162
Yah think! 😀😀 malaise Mar 2023 #166
LOL Marcus IM Mar 2023 #167
He needed to go back ripcord Mar 2023 #96
That was staged. The Miami Herald photog said so later. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #99
Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Mar 2023 #97
I distinctly remember Congresswoman Ilieana Ros-Lehtinen kskiska Mar 2023 #115
Milk is in short supply in Cuba. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #120
Damn I'm old. Catherine Vincent Mar 2023 #144
I can't remember exactly when DU was founded Wednesdays Mar 2023 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author FakeNoose Mar 2023 #163
The DU domain was created December 5, 2000, the site was launced on January 20, 2001 Celerity Mar 2023 #177
Was before DU. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #152
LoL - I do the same thing Bucky Mar 2023 #181
Yep, Catherine Vincent Mar 2023 #187
That was a very unfortunate situation. I'm glad to see Elian looks happy, and has a liberal_mama Mar 2023 #151
Screenshot with 2016 photo of Elian Gonzalez from OP link FakeNoose Mar 2023 #164
Here's some necessary information most US Americans don't ever learn about Cuba. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #176
Great post malaise Mar 2023 #178
A fine post. Few know the near constant attack Cuba has been under. Yet, they still stand tall. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #180
No one was under the delusion he was NOT being sent back to a totalitarian country Bucky Mar 2023 #179
It was a political ploy for power among the "exile" community. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #182
Haha, poor Elian... Bucky Mar 2023 #183
He's running to be elected as a totalitarian? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #184
Paul Weyrich on American democracy. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #185
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