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Once cherished in Miami, Elian Gonzalez is set to become a legislator in Cuba [View all] In It to Win It Mar 2023 OP

TY for the No Paywall! I wanted Cha Mar 2023 #1

He has been interviewed by ABC, and other large news organizations, personally. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #15

Mahalo, Judi Lynn! Cha Mar 2023 #16

Yup, she didn't make it, nor her boyfriend. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #37

Mahalo for this.. Cha Mar 2023 #42

Long green. Moolah. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #52

Anne Louise Bardach, former NY Times reporter who wrote "Miami Confidential" Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #41

I have no idea how or why Cuban "exiles" are the holders of the torch of freedom. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #45

It's a complete mystery, isn't it? A total lost cause. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #51

Horrifying Bombing Innocent Cha Mar 2023 #48

They have named streets after the bombers in Miami. Posada-Carilles and Orlando Bosch. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #54

Wow.. yeah I was in that Cha Mar 2023 #125

Don't forget about the firing squads and detention of political opposition BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #102

You do know that several US states have restarted firing squads don't you? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #121

I remember reading at the time kskiska Mar 2023 #90

Cubans visiting family in the US is a regular thing. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #122

The 1% of Cubans who can afford to travel you mean? EX500rider Mar 2023 #129

And how many Cuban Pesos does that convert to? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #131

When it comes to buying plane tickets it matters EX500rider Mar 2023 #133

Yep. As you are noting, they're economic refugees. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #140

That and the political oppression & the lack of free speech EX500rider Mar 2023 #142

Yeah sure. Castro and the evil regime forces universal ed and health care on them. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #145

That doesn't mean too much EX500rider Mar 2023 #146

Cuba is not the Soviet Union. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #147

No, just another failed communist economy. EX500rider Mar 2023 #149

Uh huh. Sure. You're the expert. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #150

Sorry US embargo or not, when your main products are sugar & cigars.. EX500rider Mar 2023 #153

Your point is null and void, and deliberately misleading. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #154

Perhaps you should look up who Cuba's biggest trading partners are EX500rider Mar 2023 #155

And does this trade include companies/products sold in the USA? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #156

Feel free to point out one command economy that ever worked out well EX500rider Mar 2023 #157

Define "worked out well". Marcus IM Mar 2023 #158

Yes everyone's equally poor that's great.. EX500rider Mar 2023 #159

You are describing America. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #161

Google average American income EX500rider Mar 2023 #168

average works like this... Marcus IM Mar 2023 #169

I doubt Bill Gates would move the avg income needle at all EX500rider Mar 2023 #171

".....and democratic socialist equity" lol, it's a one party state EX500rider Mar 2023 #170

You post 2012 pics of Hurricane Sandy damage to Santiago as a claim? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #174

Actually I googled housing in Cuba EX500rider Mar 2023 #175

You are correct malaise Mar 2023 #172

Yep. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #173

Thanks so much for the photos, Judi Lynn! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #20

It was a stupendous photo, wasn't it? The transformation in the kid's face was so clear! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #32

I sure agree, that infamous photo of that terrified child was striking, one that can't be forgotten Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #33

You have to remember emotionally it had to be like a pressure cooker in that house! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #44

I remember how they would send him out in the yard to play kskiska Mar 2023 #94

The crowds literally occupied the street for the entire debacle. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #98

I live in Miami. You should have seen the local media pandering to the CANF kidnappers. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #47

Thank you, so much, for that clarification. It answers so many questions for me. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #55

You nailed it malaise Mar 2023 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #66

Castro is gone. No longer forcing them to smile. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #23

Oh, yes! So true! He secretly threatens to kill them if they don't act happy! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #35

Yes, they were terribly happy EX500rider Mar 2023 #82

Why else? How do you explain other LatAm migration to the US. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #84

Sorry, there's no way he's 29; that would make me...old. NullTuples Mar 2023 #2

In Cuba he has to pay back his massive school loan for that engineering degree. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #61

Agree! I don't understand how everyone gets older except for me lol! toesonthenose Mar 2023 #69

He was never cherished in Miami malaise Mar 2023 #3

He would have become a GQP political tool to this very day. Samrob Mar 2023 #4

She followed International Law malaise Mar 2023 #6

Except in Miami, the mother might have been charged with child endangerment had she survived. n/t Marcus IM Mar 2023 #7

So true! As you remember, the adult female survivor returned her daughter to Cuba, Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #46

All the other survivors returned to Cuba. Life was too hard in Miami. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #49

I've thought of that so many times. What a culture shock! Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #56

I agree with you, malaise. Miami smothered that poor kid for political reasons. Deuxcents Mar 2023 #8

It was the CANF and the hard line so-called exiles.Not Miami. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #10

You are correct malaise Mar 2023 #11

So did I. I know everyone in Miami was not involved..for instance...my family. Deuxcents Mar 2023 #18

Ha malaise Mar 2023 #19

Glad you said Lincoln Diaz-Balart was the one who bestowed the beautiful pup. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #50

I cannot watch Jose Diaz-Balart on MSNBC. He was full throated in his support for the kidnapping. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #53

Good for you! I heard him trying to work in anti-Cuba gibberish and left, at the first. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #57

The CANF used airline bomber/murderer Orlando Bosch as his pediatric doctor. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #58

Thanks for the pics malaise Mar 2023 #64

Is that the one hour you don't watch MSNBC? BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #101

CORRECT Skittles Mar 2023 #9

Had nothing to do w/his father being unfit. That was a BS RW talking point/lie. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #59

fitness of a parent is usually a consideration in custody disputes Skittles Mar 2023 #60

Yep. Where there is jurisdiction. And that was in Cuba. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #62

No one said the allegation was REAL. The idea was that Hortensis Mar 2023 #123

I agree w/you 100% Marcus IM Mar 2023 #124

:) Knew you did. As far as THAT goes. Hortensis Mar 2023 #127

I understand your points. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #132

:) Cheerio. Nice to chat with someone who does the homework. Hortensis Mar 2023 #143

If the "Miami Relatives" had raised him kskiska Mar 2023 #28

Great post malaise Mar 2023 #141

Miami Hurled bullshite. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #5

THIS malaise Mar 2023 #12

Let's not spread nonsense. There are not fair and free elections in Cuba. tritsofme Mar 2023 #13

They sure are free from the billionaires malaise Mar 2023 #21

What about all those pics of Swiss skiing trips and Monaco condos by the Castros? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #24

ROFL malaise Mar 2023 #63

The whole country being poor is not really a great talking point IMO EX500rider Mar 2023 #130

Well, if you measure the greatest amount of wealth in the hands of the fewest, Cuba has failed. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #134

Conversely if you measure the largest amount of poor people EX500rider Mar 2023 #135

If you only use peso income as a measure, you're way off course. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #137

Yes that's why so many Americans try to get there by raft EX500rider Mar 2023 #138

Over a ten year waiting list for Americans who seek to emigrate to Canada. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #139

I lived there during elections. Have family there. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #22

Ballots are counted and tabulated in public. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #25

Thanks for posting. I've visited Cuba and know a bit about them but still have a lot to learn. groundloop Mar 2023 #30

Lots of kybd commando experts on Cuba. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #43

Maybe you could return there permanently BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #100

Can you link to any post of mine that claims Cuba is a paradise? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #103

Up and down the thread, so there's that BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #104

So, not supporting policies that harm my family is evidence that I don't like the USA? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #105

I can't stand present day America and most Americans BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #106

Please point out where I have romanticized Castro? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #108

If I was pointing out the positive qualities of the Netherlands, would you say the same? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #107

I was really glad when he was rescued from the kidnappers. David__77 Mar 2023 #14

Whatever happened to the Miami family? Archae Mar 2023 #17

They had problems with the law well before Elin floated into town, if you'll recall. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #26

The sons had been in jail even back then kskiska Mar 2023 #29

He looks well fed & well laid UTUSN Mar 2023 #27

He's a big defender of Cuba and their government Polybius Mar 2023 #34

Do tell. What is wrong with him defending his country and system of gov't? n/t Marcus IM Mar 2023 #36

This is Democratic Underground, and it's awesome Polybius Mar 2023 #38

OK. Not that that is an answer. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #39

The answer will only cause an argument Polybius Mar 2023 #40

he US approach to the Cuban government is no different than malaise Mar 2023 #67

I've lived in a dictatorship with a rubber stamp legislature.... brooklynite Mar 2023 #68

Tell that to your BananaReTHUG party malaise Mar 2023 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #71

Cubans get to decide that. Not anyone else. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #72

"No party selects any candidate for any slate of candidates. " brooklynite Mar 2023 #73

What does that mean "in opposition to the gov't"? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #75

Some lovely straw men... brooklynite Mar 2023 #77

No one is trying to convince you of any such thing. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #81

In North Korea, not every member is in the Workers Party.... brooklynite Mar 2023 #85

Oswaldo Paya, former leader of the Cuban Christian Democratic Party, for one. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #89

"I don't get why you would think they would elect someone who opposes their gov't." brooklynite Mar 2023 #92

Huh? Why would Dems vote for what they don't agree with. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #95

"Cuba has a very vibrant and diverse democracy." lol EX500rider Mar 2023 #86

Fidel Castro was their Head of State. Not the leader. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #91

Yes & Stalin wasn't the President of the Soviet Union either. EX500rider Mar 2023 #113

I'm sure your expertise on Soviet and Cuban political structures is vast. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #116

Pointing out what HWR & Amnesty Int & ReportersWithoutBorders says.. EX500rider Mar 2023 #117

"Cubans get to decide that. Not anyone else." brooklynite Mar 2023 #74

Nope. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #76

Your billionaires get to decide malaise Mar 2023 #78

Joe Biden, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are billionaires? Who knew? brooklynite Mar 2023 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Mar 2023 #79

You are aware that communism is an economic system, like capitalism is an economic system Marcus IM Mar 2023 #186

A one party police state? Would could be wrong with that? lol EX500rider Mar 2023 #83

No, no, no... brooklynite Mar 2023 #87

Straw man arguments R you. n/t Marcus IM Mar 2023 #93

You have been disabused of this before. Yet you continue to repeat your false claim. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #88

Again: EX500rider Mar 2023 #109

You know where they get their "data"? IRI and NED funded Cubanet. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #110

"Reporters Without Borders do not have any reporters there." EX500rider Mar 2023 #112

Reporters Without Borders receives funding from NED Marcus IM Mar 2023 #165

The annual Democracy Index puts Cuba at 139th. Mosby Mar 2023 #111

Well. An observation. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #114

Still zero proof from you that ALL human rights orgs somehow are hoodwinked by "Cubanet reports" EX500rider Mar 2023 #118

it's like saying that you believe that Fox News was hoodwinked, rather than profit motives. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #119

Except HRW and Amnesty Inter aren't Fox and are to be believed. EX500rider Mar 2023 #126

Profit motives? EX500rider Mar 2023 #128

They survive on IRI and NED money. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #136

Who controls that. malaise Mar 2023 #160

The IRI, NED, Carnegie, Rockefeller and Mellon Scaiffe foundation are some major funders Marcus IM Mar 2023 #162

Yah think! 😀😀 malaise Mar 2023 #166

LOL Marcus IM Mar 2023 #167

He needed to go back ripcord Mar 2023 #96

That was staged. The Miami Herald photog said so later. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #99

Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Mar 2023 #97

I distinctly remember Congresswoman Ilieana Ros-Lehtinen kskiska Mar 2023 #115

Milk is in short supply in Cuba. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #120

Damn I'm old. Catherine Vincent Mar 2023 #144

I can't remember exactly when DU was founded Wednesdays Mar 2023 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author FakeNoose Mar 2023 #163

The DU domain was created December 5, 2000, the site was launced on January 20, 2001 Celerity Mar 2023 #177

Was before DU. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #152

LoL - I do the same thing Bucky Mar 2023 #181

Yep, Catherine Vincent Mar 2023 #187

That was a very unfortunate situation. I'm glad to see Elian looks happy, and has a liberal_mama Mar 2023 #151

Screenshot with 2016 photo of Elian Gonzalez from OP link FakeNoose Mar 2023 #164

Here's some necessary information most US Americans don't ever learn about Cuba. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #176

Great post malaise Mar 2023 #178

A fine post. Few know the near constant attack Cuba has been under. Yet, they still stand tall. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #180

No one was under the delusion he was NOT being sent back to a totalitarian country Bucky Mar 2023 #179

It was a political ploy for power among the "exile" community. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #182

Haha, poor Elian... Bucky Mar 2023 #183

He's running to be elected as a totalitarian? Marcus IM Mar 2023 #184

Paul Weyrich on American democracy. Marcus IM Mar 2023 #185