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Crepuscular

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Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:29 AM
Mar 2023

The contrast noted in this article, comparing the devastation caused by .223 rifle cartridges vs. pistol caliber cartridges, is largely a distinction with no meaningful difference, in the context of school or mass shootings.

The Nashville Shooter used a pistol caliber carbine, chambered in either 9mm or .40 S&W. All of the victims that were shot are dead, despite the fact that they were not shot with a centerfire rifle round.

Focusing on banning assault weapons is a huge red herring. Criteria such as flash protectors, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, etc. are merely cosmetic and have no tangible impact on the functionality or lethality of the weapon.

Detachable, high capacity magazines are the one feature, whether in rifles or handguns, that significantly multiply the killing capacity of a weapon. Unfortunately, there are billions of high cap mags in circulation, so all banning the sale or production of them accomplishes is driving up the price.

If you could wave a magic wand and get rid of high capacity magazines, you may, might, maybe see an infinitesimal reduction in body counts but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Where there is a will, there is a way. If people are sick enough to want to kill a whole bunch of other people, they will probably manage to find a way to do it.

Banning all guns might help but that is a totally unrealistic expectation, given our society, courts and laws.

Red flag laws, eliminating transfer loopholes, enforcing strawman purchase laws and other measures could help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and we should continue to pursue such measures but repeating the mantra of "ban assault weapons" and believing that doing so would provide any actual reduction in the carnage that we see is ultimately as hollow and meaningless as offering "thoughts and prayers" to victims.

I realize this won't be a popular viewpoint, just my two cents as someone who is very familiar with firearms, their capabilities and who has a decidedly skeptical view of human nature.

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Idk if I want to see this. Catherine Vincent Mar 2023 #1
Until BigMin28 Mar 2023 #2
Yeah, like what the Allies did with forcing Germans grumpyduck Mar 2023 #10
Horrific and gruesome -- but common knowledge for years. Girard442 Mar 2023 #3
I don't know that they necessarily want deaths. grumpyduck Mar 2023 #9
The thing is- James48 Mar 2023 #4
They come in handy killing kids in schools, too. Swede Mar 2023 #5
Lighter rounds tend to tumble when they hit something. Aristus Mar 2023 #11
That is a myth hack89 Mar 2023 #13
Thank you for the info. nt BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #36
That's why they are such great hunting rifles. Turbineguy Mar 2023 #6
that's also why they're such great war weapons onethatcares Mar 2023 #7
The Army is replacing the round as it's deemed not powerful enough Kaleva Mar 2023 #18
The standard AR cartridge (.223) Zeitghost Mar 2023 #8
Good to know gratuitous Mar 2023 #15
I'm not sure if considerate is the word I would use... Zeitghost Mar 2023 #19
Um, the .30-06 James48 Mar 2023 #16
Yes, I know that Zeitghost Mar 2023 #20
The .223 is gaining popularity with hunters Kaleva Mar 2023 #22
It suited well for small game Zeitghost Mar 2023 #26
I agree Kaleva Mar 2023 #27
It is banned from hunting in 10 states hack89 Mar 2023 #12
Yes the round is actually not that great. The military is changing to a round thatdemguy Mar 2023 #14
Gunners not liking this for some reason. Kingofalldems Mar 2023 #17
Nobody seems to care about the Ruger Mini-14 which fires the same round Kaleva Mar 2023 #21
Add it to the ban list. nt Ilsa Mar 2023 #23
Oregon is proposing banning assault weapons but they excluded the Ruger Kaleva Mar 2023 #25
The Ruger was specifically white listed. joshcryer Mar 2023 #31
It doesn't have many of the cosmetic/ergonomic features Zeitghost Mar 2023 #28
The AWB was more general. It banned the Ruger. joshcryer Mar 2023 #32
It was whitelisted, but the vast majority wouldn't have been banned anyway. sl8 Mar 2023 #34
"detachable magazines" is the key. joshcryer Mar 2023 #35
No one's banning shit. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #30
The public needs to see crime scene photos. Ilsa Mar 2023 #24
Lots of rifle rounds can cause horrific damage. Disaffected Mar 2023 #29
I agree. Kaleva Mar 2023 #33
Thank you for sharing the article. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #37
Read a great, and very detailed, article about this in the NYT years ago. hippywife Mar 2023 #38
As others have said, this is pretty much all rifle bullets NickB79 Mar 2023 #39
Why should innocent children have to pay the price of freedom IronLionZion Mar 2023 #40
Is it available anywhere else? I refuse to go to Twitter. nt Samrob Mar 2023 #41
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