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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. NO ONE thinks we should accept that for anything. NO ONE!
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 05:28 PM
Mar 2023

End of THAT huge insult to our principles! Even ONE dead child is too many.

My message is: Ignorance is a HUGE weakness that enemies weaponize to smash their adversaries. It also leads people to make absolutely terrible personal decisions.

INSTILLING FEAR IS A MAJOR TACTIC TO SUPPRESS THE VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS.

How does "Flee the county if you can!" encourage more people to vote Democratic in the next election? Or any of the similar messages, like "good luck" to that in response to a promise to stay and fight? It doesn't, of course. How many who believed it was hopeless would even bother to vote Democratic?

It gets worse: INTILLING IRRATIONAL FEAR IS A MAJOR AUTHORITARIAN GOTV TACTIC.

While vulnerable LWers are supposedly discouraged from voting by fear and despairing contempt for Democratic abilities, conservative and other authoritarian leaners increasingly long anxiously for an authoritarian strongman leader who'll promise to impose order and safety. That's the plan because it's proven many times over to work.

tRump's the #1 strongman available right now, of course. Who doubts his promise to put troops on our streets to impose "safety?" How many cluelessly feel comfortable that police state tactics would be suffered by "others" in inner cities (where they are needed) because there's actually no significant violence in their area?

How many already feel democracy and the protections of, you know, their civil rights! are sacrifices we should make to keep our children alive? We know many RWers are ready, some eager, to end them right now; after all, they say, what do they have now but a nation crumbling under liberal socialist depravity? (I saw several people yesterday insisting we're already slaves anyway.)

But that doesn't work on people too informed to run off their cliff.

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Sorry my 'kids' are so old that they have kids of their own, so elleng Mar 2023 #1
There are some 150,000 public and private schools Hortensis Mar 2023 #2
Until it's your kid that gets shot. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #3
It'd be less foolish to move to another country to make sure Hortensis Mar 2023 #5
The leading cause of death for children in the US is firearms Yavin4 Mar 2023 #8
and the merest fraction stopdiggin Mar 2023 #12
People just don't get it. Hope22 Mar 2023 #15
Calling 19yo's children is kind of a stretch to me. nt EX500rider Mar 2023 #50
I don't know.... slightlv Mar 2023 #14
You are wrong about vehicles. Guns are the leading cause of death for children in the USA. MrsCoffee Mar 2023 #33
Hortensis did not claim that more children were killed in car accidents than by firearms Jack the Greater Mar 2023 #35
Does not change the fact that kids are more at risk of dying from a firearm in the US than MrsCoffee Mar 2023 #37
I did not claim that it did. Jack the Greater Mar 2023 #38
Guns as the leading cause of death is horribly shocking in itself, Hortensis Mar 2023 #39
100% stopdiggin Mar 2023 #9
From my perspective, I would not only be moving my children to a safer place, Zilli Mar 2023 #20
Actually the parents need to rise up and protest, call their officials and never stop. chowder66 Mar 2023 #4
That won't work. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #7
Or just home school if they are really in fear of their child's safety at school. nt kelly1mm Mar 2023 #6
No. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #10
Home school does not necessarily mean that children are not socialized. There kelly1mm Mar 2023 #11
Pushing home schooling as the only safe way to educate Wingus Dingus Mar 2023 #18
How would public schools survive if parents took the OP suggestion to leave the country? MichMan Mar 2023 #19
Nobody's going anywhere, for the most part, except Wingus Dingus Mar 2023 #23
And leaving the country with your children doesn't? My wife is a 7th grade public kelly1mm Mar 2023 #21
But...you just said your wife is a trained and experienced Wingus Dingus Mar 2023 #24
We chose to home school not because we thought the public schools were unsafe but rather kelly1mm Mar 2023 #26
Gotta love that irony. Public school teachers, choosing home schooling... Lancero Mar 2023 #28
The schools were incompetent not the teachers. Please kelly1mm Mar 2023 #30
++ appalachiablue Mar 2023 #22
I'm begging my kids to find a way to study in Canada AllyCat Mar 2023 #13
One of mine went to university in Canada and Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #25
I actually took a job (kids came along outside the country 2002-2012) and I can say its a mixed bag JCMach1 Mar 2023 #16
My wife and I live in Asia. That's what we are doing. AZLD4Candidate Mar 2023 #17
By your logic, people with kids should move to a country without cars... brooklynite Mar 2023 #27
More still get shot on the streets. AllyCat Mar 2023 #31
And almost none are, in proportion to the population. brooklynite Mar 2023 #32
My kids doing active shooter drills tells me we have a problem AllyCat Mar 2023 #34
I do safe room drills with my grandchildren. Do you with your kids? Kaleva Mar 2023 #52
Yup. We shouldn't have to do this. Too many dead people AllyCat Mar 2023 #53
The master bedroom is the designated safe room Kaleva Mar 2023 #58
Absolutely. I would recommend people raise their kids is non-car dependent cities. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #40
And we work, educate, and pass laws to protect youth AllyCat Mar 2023 #48
My kids are grown, thank goodness spinbaby Mar 2023 #29
The odds of me being shot are just above zilch Kaleva Mar 2023 #36
We are going to stay and fight for the soul of our country and our party. Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #41
Good luck with that. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #42
:) Those who act IN GOOD FAITH by voting Democratic Hortensis Mar 2023 #45
Won't take "luck," but vigilance and unbending determination. Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #47
What country has a ZERO chance of a school shooting? sarisataka Mar 2023 #43
Every country has issues. Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #44
Child gun-death rate: Nearly 5 in 100,000. LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH. Hortensis Mar 2023 #46
And yet, folks here think we should accept that as minimal risk. AllyCat Mar 2023 #51
NO ONE thinks we should accept that for anything. NO ONE! Hortensis Mar 2023 #54
If you check the thread, there are several saying this is minimal AllyCat Mar 2023 #56
Running off a cliff in a crowd Hortensis Mar 2023 #57
Even in Europe, the odds are non-zero. Utoya, Norway, 2011. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #49
I totally agree. raccoon Mar 2023 #55
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