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Just A Box Of Rain

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76. You are the one who feels morally outraged here?

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Sat Apr 1, 2023, 08:51 AM

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No, MSNBC and CNN.... [View all] PCIntern Mar 2023 OP

I've said this for every case ever lol Beautiful Disaster Mar 2023 #1

I hear ya! Roy Rolling Apr 2023 #64

+1000. Paladin Mar 2023 #2

Yes you can presume him guilty if you want, I do too. But under our laws you are innocent doc03 Mar 2023 #3

Agreed. I do however acknowledge that this is part of a previously litigated case. mjvpi Mar 2023 #10

Predicting the outcome of an upcoming court case is never smart. Aussie105 Mar 2023 #49

Oh, come on, people do that all the time. ShazzieB Mar 2023 #54

but then watch for treestar Apr 2023 #86

I'm not sure what you mean by "accept." ShazzieB Apr 2023 #107

I thought ok was innocent. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #102

true, anything official will call Lee Harvey Oswald treestar Apr 2023 #85

Fuck him, indeed! ffr Mar 2023 #4

Amen. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #5

GOP members have widely presumed that this is a politically motivated prosecution Jarqui Mar 2023 #6

Why did his DOJ lock up Cohen for the same crime? onecaliberal Mar 2023 #28

Certainly not because DOJ presumed guilt. Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #47

After DOJ threatened to indict his wife. There is evidence that Barr tried to withdraw the plea i.e. Marcuse Apr 2023 #59

Relevance? Beastly Boy Apr 2023 #77

Wrong thread. Sorry. Marcuse Apr 2023 #78

Were you responding to the OP or to my post? Beastly Boy Apr 2023 #79

I'm with Speaker Pelosi MichMan Mar 2023 #7

That's not what she sez in private I'm certain. PCIntern Mar 2023 #8

Pelosi is restating the Rule of Law we should all salute. All the Rules, for All, Equally. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2023 #14

No she isn't SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2023 #51

He doesn't have to prove his innocence. LakeArenal Mar 2023 #29

Trials are never about proving innocence. whopis01 Apr 2023 #65

You know, PCIntern Apr 2023 #69

Your OP seemed pretty understandable to me whopis01 Apr 2023 #70

Ok... PCIntern Apr 2023 #74

I think you really misread my post whopis01 Apr 2023 #84

Apologies. PCIntern Apr 2023 #87

Yes, she did say "prove" innocence, which was wrong. soldierant Apr 2023 #99

We still have the right to a fair trial in this country. Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #9

Did I say that? PCIntern Mar 2023 #12

You don't have to presume innocence, but you can be sued for presuming guilt. Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #52

Oh my inthewind21 Mar 2023 #11

I've been on juries and was extremely sensitive to my role and the law. PCIntern Mar 2023 #13

Serving on a jury is completely different from watching a trial from the sidelines. ShazzieB Mar 2023 #56

How dare you make sense? PCIntern Apr 2023 #62

Yeah and today OJ himself basically says, I did it. Captain Zero Apr 2023 #73

there were people who wanted to treestar Apr 2023 #88

Even knowing a person did something does not mean they are guilty. grantcart Mar 2023 #15

Ok... PCIntern Mar 2023 #17

There is a yawning chasm between believing DJT is an "innocent babe," something no one here believes Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #21

Jesus.... PCIntern Apr 2023 #63

You are the one who feels morally outraged here? Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #76

of course he would have been treestar Apr 2023 #91

but if he is acquitted treestar Apr 2023 #90

Actually it does mean exactly that whopis01 Apr 2023 #67

Rubbish grantcart Apr 2023 #83

+1 treestar Apr 2023 #93

Let's try to be a little more honest in our arguments. whopis01 Apr 2023 #98

lipstick on a pig grantcart Apr 2023 #100

I notice you avoided my question whopis01 Apr 2023 #101

I find your arguments quite a bit different from those in the OP Beastly Boy Apr 2023 #106

My thoughts are my own and my arguments are my own whopis01 Apr 2023 #109

I take it that your objections to my post is limited to its last paragraph. Beastly Boy Apr 2023 #110

You keep missing the key point whopis01 Apr 2023 #111

We are talking about legal definitions for presumption and accusation, aren't we? Beastly Boy Apr 2023 #112

You are missing the point and quite purposely so whopis01 Apr 2023 #113

You are not talking about legal definitions or presumptions except when you are talking about Beastly Boy Apr 2023 #114

they know the law does though treestar Apr 2023 #92

Of course. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. n/t whopis01 Apr 2023 #97

Yes, they know they have the highest burden of proof treestar Apr 2023 #89

OMG edisdead Mar 2023 #16

I think so... PCIntern Mar 2023 #18

and the same ones edisdead Mar 2023 #19

Once again, slightlv Mar 2023 #35

ery well stated edisdead Mar 2023 #50

I don't care what they say malaise Mar 2023 #20

This came to mind today. How long can Ts lawyers drag this out Boomerproud Mar 2023 #22

PCIntern........ Upthevibe Mar 2023 #23

Right on!! Downsouthjukin Mar 2023 #24

In order to preserve his innocence and the world, Tetrachloride Mar 2023 #25

Very much feeling that way myself. Criminal mob boss, life-long con artist, tax cheat, rapist. Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #26

And if everybody was like that relayerbob Mar 2023 #27

way to completely misread the OP ProfessorPlum Apr 2023 #72

I wanted him arrested the moment Biden was inaugurated. panader0 Mar 2023 #30

They should have arrested him in late January of '21. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #40

Indeed. TimeToGo Mar 2023 #31

Getting really tired The Wizard Mar 2023 #32

Agree. Most humans are equipped with an ability to observe, notice, retain information, evaluate wiggs Mar 2023 #33

I agree. If they don't see the facts then they are being stupid. LiberalFighter Mar 2023 #34

You don't have to justify your presumption of guilt in any way. Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #36

Yeah, I'm'a presume him guilty... dchill Mar 2023 #37

I hope the Manhattan DA shows Chump the same courtesy FakeNoose Mar 2023 #38

Nobody from his camp is even trying to deny the hush money thing. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #39

The legal system will deal with Trump fairly and squarely. Aussie105 Mar 2023 #41

The Star Chamber was an awesome movie. hamsterjill Mar 2023 #42

I loved it too! I think it needs a remake! nt Lisa0825 Apr 2023 #58

Me, Three ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #95

That movie scared the crap out of me ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2023 #43

True Dis' Baked Potato Mar 2023 #44

A car is headed right towards me. Let me first find out what make, model, year and license. usonian Mar 2023 #45

The reason most media are focussed on the hush money charge Aussie105 Mar 2023 #46

...K&R... spanone Mar 2023 #48

News doesn't realize we know 1,000,000% more than most people ! nt Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #53

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2023 #55

Agreed stage left Mar 2023 #57

Agree he is guilty of so many crimes Meowmee Apr 2023 #60

Yep... PCIntern Apr 2023 #61

there's not above the law; it is more that treestar Apr 2023 #94

That is also true Meowmee Apr 2023 #104

HEAR, HEAR Skittles Apr 2023 #66

Not only that... JPPaverage Apr 2023 #68

The Trump-justice-tour has us peeking under the skirt of the American legal system. jaxexpat Apr 2023 #71

i was just yelling this out loud yesterday. NO! IDIOTS!! He has a LEGAL presumption of innocence. bullimiami Apr 2023 #75

Hard to argue with this peggysue2 Apr 2023 #80

They never tire of being wrong for the owners. pwb Apr 2023 #81

K&R Blue Owl Apr 2023 #82

K&R ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #96

There is no doubt about his guilt. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #103

Hopefully they can seat a jury that understands MichMan Apr 2023 #105