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karynnj

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123. Clark's statements were not crystal clear either

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:12 PM

Nov 2012

In addition, after initially seeing him as a knight in shining armor, there were many cracks that appeared. He had never run for anything, so there were gaffes. In addition, I did not trust that he was even a real Democrat. I was impressed by his work as a surrogate for Kerry.

I looked closely at Dean and Kerry - liking them both. I played around looking at what they said and did in 2001 and 2002. My conclusion was that they were closer than Trippi portrayed them to be. The more that I looked at their histories, the more I preferred Kerry. However, what I really wanted was for one of them to get the nomination and feared that they would be pulling from similar populations. Had I been polled (which I wasn't) in November 2003, I would have said Dean, as CW was he had a chance and Kerry didn't.

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No more Kerry's... [View all] piechartking Nov 2012 OP

Kerry lost because of shenanigans in Ohio. muntrv Nov 2012 #1

And not fighting the Swift Boat lies TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #20

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Rove better watch his own back... TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #23

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that swift boating thing was disgraceful liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #77

Kerry fell into the Wonk Trap. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #105

Things sure change fast politicasista Nov 2012 #108

Kerry won all three debates. He was BETTER than Obama on this karynnj Nov 2012 #110

Kick for more facts n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #112

Both wrong karynnj Nov 2012 #107

Kick politicasista Nov 2012 #109

Kerry was never a strong candidate and our campaign was basically 'Anyone But Bush' LynneSin Nov 2012 #29

Sounds like you don't like him politicasista Nov 2012 #30

I guess you never bothered reading the rest of the post LynneSin Nov 2012 #35

No did read it, but politicasista Nov 2012 #38

So true. It fed into their portrayal of him as an elitist, moneyed and effete coward. zonkers Nov 2012 #106

Not really, some are just angry at Kerry because politicasista Nov 2012 #111

I wasn't a Hillary person at all.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #92

Not going to jump down your throat politicasista Nov 2012 #101

If Kerry would have been given what the media usually gives all candidates, he would have won karynnj Nov 2012 #115

Completely disagree. ProSense Nov 2012 #32

+1 politicasista Nov 2012 #40

Has there even been strong presidential candidate from MA since JFK? pstokely Nov 2012 #54

I think Teddy could have been LynneSin Nov 2012 #94

Strange how so many in this thread are letting Edwards, MSM & MIA Dems off the hook n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #125

Can't think of any southern Democrat that has a remote chance of winning. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #2

That's what they said in 1988 Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #47

I see you didn't mention a possible candidate from the south. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #98

Was anyone mentioning Jimmy Carter in 1972? Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #99

Kerry came close, he made some mistakes that if he could go back would give him the win JI7 Nov 2012 #3

Get it straight: Bush/Cheney/Rove STOLE OHIO in '04 garthranzz Nov 2012 #4

Who ever is best for the job will be nominated, no matter ethnicity or regionality. lumpy Nov 2012 #5

so you would write off Elizabeth Warren ? JI7 Nov 2012 #6

I Would Pay Good Money To See............ ChoppinBroccoli Nov 2012 #11

Good question n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #42

No, I think Elizabeth Warren would be good! piechartking Nov 2012 #43

ok n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #46

"Thoughts?" ProSense Nov 2012 #7

No answers coming, it seems. The OP threw this out there 2 hrs. ago and hasn't been seen since. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #25

I don't care if people agree or not... piechartking Nov 2012 #44

... politicasista Nov 2012 #51

I'm ready to work for Hillary louis c Nov 2012 #8

gee. I think we should nominate the best person- regardless of gender or race. cali Nov 2012 #9

Truly...That is what democracy is all about. lumpy Nov 2012 #10

If only there were frogmarch Nov 2012 #12

+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #18

i don't think we can agree on anything. spanone Nov 2012 #13

We no longer need the South to win. sadbear Nov 2012 #14

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I have a feeling Brian from Montana will run to marlakay Nov 2012 #16

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FDR was rich, won 4 different terms and by good numbers too...he was white and IN TOUCH with working uponit7771 Nov 2012 #19

Kerry still would've made for a hell of a president. He's a damn fine man! n/t cynatnite Nov 2012 #22

They don't care politicasista Nov 2012 #24

Oh I agreed but he didn't run a good campaign LynneSin Nov 2012 #31

This was 2004 ProSense Nov 2012 #33

Good points there LynneSin Nov 2012 #36

you think Kucinich would have won in 2004 ? or even 2008 ? JI7 Nov 2012 #45

Progressive Dems had crossed anyone who voted for Bush's war off their list in 2004. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #62

Would rather take ProSense, politicasista Nov 2012 #65

I don't care what you 'would rather' believe. I have stated facts. Kerry was at 3% sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #67

Kerry was higher than 3 percent before he went down to 3 percent with prostate cancer JI7 Nov 2012 #69

You know nothing about me. I was on an independent news site as a moderator at that time sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #80

and i was on the ground and talked to other people on the ground in iowa, nh and elsewhere JI7 Nov 2012 #81

And I was on the ground also and it is a fact that Kerry and any candidate who voted sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #89

Dean had far more money than Kerry karynnj Nov 2012 #117

He reached somebody politicasista Nov 2012 #70

The primaries were not nasty then at all. They were exciting and hopeful. We had so many sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #72

Still haven't answered the question tho politicasista Nov 2012 #75

That question has been answered. People like me who supported candidates who had sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #84

Nope it hasn't politicasista Nov 2012 #87

You are too busy conjuring up motives for people that you are not paying attention to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #90

Sounds like Faux news n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #103

and most people didn't think Kerry wanted war, just like most people don't blame Obama for the JI7 Nov 2012 #83

If Kerry didn't want war, he should have joined Kucinich, Byrd and all the other Dems who sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #86

Kerry spoke of the vote being wrong before Hillary or Edwrds karynnj Nov 2012 #118

Thank you for your response. I knew about Dean's statements. Which is why my choice sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #122

Clark's statements were not crystal clear either karynnj Nov 2012 #123

Clark absolutely opposed the war. He made some confusing statements only once. That sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #124

In the last three months of 2003, Kerry was NOT getting much from karynnj Nov 2012 #127

Kick for truth n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #128

and there were Republicans shocked at Romney's loss , if you go by big media JI7 Nov 2012 #71

Well if I had ever relied on our propaganda machine you would have a point. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #78

I don't think he could have but I think Dean could have won LynneSin Nov 2012 #95

Not really politicasista Nov 2012 #100

Neither would had the ability in the debates that Kerry had karynnj Nov 2012 #116

Remember the definition of marriage crap that got put on ballots across the country? cynatnite Nov 2012 #50

And Kerry got blamed from someone tweeting him for looking the other way politicasista Nov 2012 #57

Guess the media and the M.I.A. Dem surrogates are off the hook. politicasista Nov 2012 #34

They did the same thing to Obama in 2008 and 2012 LynneSin Nov 2012 #37

And he had Dem surrogates that sided with him, not against him politicasista Nov 2012 #39

No, he didn't take the swiftboaters seriously... cynatnite Nov 2012 #49

Thanks to Cahill and Shrum politicasista Nov 2012 #60

+1000! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #68

......indeed kwolf68 Nov 2012 #27

If find racism of all stripes distasteful. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #28

+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #48

I'm the OP, and I'm sorry I offended anyone, but that's just my opinion... piechartking Nov 2012 #41

John Kerry would have been an exceptional president. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #52

Must be all the SOS rumors politicasista Nov 2012 #53

JK as sec of state would be outstanding. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #55

+1 politicasista Nov 2012 #58

I think Kerry would have been a great Prez, will be great in the Cabinet... piechartking Nov 2012 #56

Ok. Obama was green in 04 politicasista Nov 2012 #59

No, not singling Kerry out. piechartking Nov 2012 #61

Ok. Fair enough politicasista Nov 2012 #63

We should focus on holding Congress seats and making a few pickups in 2014. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #64

Beyond Clinton, our bench is as thin as the republican bench. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #66

I agree that we need to focus on 2014 piechartking Nov 2012 #73

We have been lucky.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #93

charisma does seem to be a must these days liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #74

Strange. Kerry had charisma in 2000, but none in 2004 politicasista Nov 2012 #76

I never said I didn't like him liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #79

You're fine politicasista Nov 2012 #82

We should nominate candidates standingtall Nov 2012 #85

Pretending that demographics don't exist is also... piechartking Nov 2012 #88

Not pretending demographics does not exist standingtall Nov 2012 #91

We should nominate the best person for the job Marrah_G Nov 2012 #96

^^^^ +1 fucking thousand!! madinmaryland Nov 2012 #126

It works like this quaker bill Nov 2012 #97

Un recced. no text. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #102

Senator Kerry nearly pulled off an incredible victory in 2004 karynnj Nov 2012 #104

Isn't it the repub state legislatures Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #113

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It makes me sad that it will probably be another 30 years democrattotheend Nov 2012 #119

Which one of those categories did Kennedy fit into? tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #120

Kicking for the REAL, truthful facts in this thread politicasista Nov 2012 #121