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Straw Man

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65. Percentage.

Sun Apr 9, 2023, 05:39 AM

Apr 2023

I guess if you quote the percentage of people killed with an AR-15 of the total who die from old age, car accidents and disease every year you would get a very low number.

No. If you compare the number of people killed with an AR-15 style rifle to the number of people killed with other firearms -- mainly handguns -- you get a very low number.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

But the focus on the AR-15 - surely getting those out of the hands of civilians, banning their manufacture, sale and supply of ammunition, would be a good place to start?

Do that first, then move on to other lethal weapon.

So your ultimate goal is total disarmament of the civilian population? Because all guns can be lethal, y'now. So first the low-hanging fruit, and then work your way up the tree?

And people keep telling me that there is no slippery slope toward a total gun ban. Are they liars, or are they fools?

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An AR-15 Uses The Same Exact ... [View all] ItsjustMe Apr 2023 OP

The 2nd Amendment never mentions guns. multigraincracker Apr 2023 #1

Guns fall under "arms". yagotme Apr 2023 #2

Swords, clubs, brass knuckles and multigraincracker Apr 2023 #3

"Arms" are regulated. "Guns" are regulated. yagotme Apr 2023 #4

Try to get a permit multigraincracker Apr 2023 #5

Here you go: yagotme Apr 2023 #7

Guns can no longer be said to be "regulated" NullTuples Apr 2023 #39

Exactly. ShazzieB Apr 2023 #53

I think you need to look back at what were considered 'arms' Aussie105 Apr 2023 #55

You are preaching to the choir, dude. ShazzieB Apr 2023 #57

Just seemed a good place to put my 2c worth. Aussie105 Apr 2023 #60

Then where, I ask, is the Roberts Court's "well regulated militia"? NullTuples Apr 2023 #88

Manufacture a firearm for sale, yagotme May 2023 #108

Meanwhile, 32 states now let people carry guns in public without learning how to handle or shoot one NullTuples May 2023 #113

So, is there anyone left alive in those states? yagotme May 2023 #114

AR-15s can fire anything from .22 cal to shotgun shells Kaleva Apr 2023 #6

There is at least 1 single shot .50 cal upper, too. n/t yagotme Apr 2023 #8

It's a very versatile platform. Kaleva Apr 2023 #9

Ones PGR the other is not uponit7771 Apr 2023 #31

Usually chambered in .223 or 5.56 DenaliDemocrat Apr 2023 #67

I agree with you Kaleva Apr 2023 #70

So does this.... Timewas Apr 2023 #10

except when you add a 100 round clip newdayneeded Apr 2023 #12

Well Timewas Apr 2023 #15

For hunting gay texan Apr 2023 #17

Hate to see the deer meat after newdayneeded Apr 2023 #18

On a ranch, it's probably intended for obliterating vermin William Seger Apr 2023 #37

lol newdayneeded Apr 2023 #42

I'm sure you are aware ... Straw Man Apr 2023 #58

How many rounds does it take to mutilate a 6 year old girl to death? The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #82

One, depending on the round. yagotme May 2023 #110

Most of it is easily 3D printable now madville Apr 2023 #45

AR fires once per trigger pull. yagotme Apr 2023 #13

Sad Timewas Apr 2023 #14

All below fire one shot per pull of trigger. Explain difference to me, please. yagotme Apr 2023 #16

the 14 uses 7.62 or 308 Winchester and the M16 5.56 or the .223 Remington round Ligyron Apr 2023 #30

I think you mean the Mini-30. Straw Man Apr 2023 #59

The answer, is, the top 2 are the "same" rifle. yagotme May 2023 #109

plus 1 (my addition key died) nt Ligyron May 2023 #115

Uh-oh. yagotme May 2023 #116

People who go deep In the weeds to explain why AR15s aren't so bad creep me out Bucky Apr 2023 #36

They creep me out, too! ShazzieB Apr 2023 #54

Creeped out myself. Aussie105 Apr 2023 #61

If the person is truly "harmless", yagotme May 2023 #111

Here's a really simple solution to your dilema, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #72

There's just one problem with that approach. ShazzieB Apr 2023 #105

Well, that definitely is an option, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #107

As a guy who has fired an M4/M16 in combat, I never once fired it in any mode other than semi-auto Victor_c3 Apr 2023 #32

I think you are mistaking "semi-automatic" for "automatic" whopis01 Apr 2023 #33

Agree madville Apr 2023 #48

As a guy who fought in Vietnam and Desert Storm, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #94

The ammo it uses isn't the problem Amishman Apr 2023 #11

My hunting rifles . . . AverageOldGuy Apr 2023 #21

We're saying the same thing Amishman Apr 2023 #40

And 3D printing has made them easy to make madville Apr 2023 #46

So which bullet is best for killing 6 year olds? The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #83

Pretty soon the gun humpers will want rocket launchers. flying_wahini Apr 2023 #19

Ditto AverageOldGuy Apr 2023 #20

Thank you for your service. yagotme Apr 2023 #22

I would argue that the police madville Apr 2023 #47

Yes, it's sick that these aren't extremely tightly regulated here LymphocyteLover Apr 2023 #23

I haven't heard about the Swiss model for keepign guns Old Crank Apr 2023 #24

No other country The Wizard Apr 2023 #25

Thank you, M. Shams! calimary Apr 2023 #26

I'm really tired of right wing gun fetishists saying "it's not a military weapon." Pacifist Patriot Apr 2023 #27

I hope this falls on some NRA members ears' that aren't deaf SouthernDem4ever Apr 2023 #28

I'm really sickened by those who defend AR15 rights after so many innocent people C Moon Apr 2023 #29

The "right to bear arms" that could not have been even imagined. And how 'bout that "well-regulated Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #34

Post removed Post removed Apr 2023 #35

I guess you need to take a look newdayneeded Apr 2023 #43

They are used Zeitghost Apr 2023 #50

Percentage? Aussie105 Apr 2023 #63

Percentage. Straw Man Apr 2023 #65

3% are Assault Weapons Zeitghost Apr 2023 #90

There's nothing particularly special about the AR-15, other than it being a popular rifle platform. Calista241 Apr 2023 #51

Does it really do nothing different or better than a handgun? Mister Ed Apr 2023 #62

Las Vegas no. Sandy Hook and Parkland yes hack89 Apr 2023 #68

Can you really blast doors out with a pistol, as was done at Sandy Hook? Mister Ed Apr 2023 #86

Soldiers carry rifles so they can kill at long range hack89 Apr 2023 #89

Of course I understand why soldiers carry rifles and not just pistols. Mister Ed Apr 2023 #98

That's some pretty fine hair splitting hack89 Apr 2023 #102

In Vietnam, I carried both, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #92

Thank you. Of course you carried both, because they serve different purposes. Mister Ed Apr 2023 #97

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #100

Listening to some of the hairsplitters in this thread... Shipwack Apr 2023 #38

!!! Kali Apr 2023 #49

Bringing facts to a discussion can be troubling. former9thward Apr 2023 #52

Irrelevant and trivial facts are sometimes used to obscure the truth. n/t Mister Ed Apr 2023 #87

Well, you're right about that. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #93

Thank you for this! ShazzieB Apr 2023 #56

The NRA has glorified guns to such a distorted perception liberal N proud Apr 2023 #41

My thoughts Kennah Apr 2023 #44

AR 15 intelpug Apr 2023 #64

Uh, no. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #73

Any idea what a 12-gauge slug from a shotgun ... Straw Man Apr 2023 #66

The shotgun delivers more stopping power out to 25 yards. After that, the AR takes over. Emile Apr 2023 #71

The effective range of a 12 gauge slug gun is 200 yards Kaleva Apr 2023 #74

It may be effective up to 200 yards, but after 25 yards the Emile Apr 2023 #76

Where did you get your info from? Kaleva Apr 2023 #77

From your website that you posted. Emile Apr 2023 #78

But you said velocity drops after 25 yards Kaleva Apr 2023 #85

The laws of physics demands it Zeitghost Apr 2023 #91

12 gauge slug guns use a rifled barrel Kaleva Apr 2023 #95

Deer hunting shot gun barrels have been rifled for quite some time. yagotme May 2023 #112

And how many mass shootings take place at a distance of more than 25 yards? Straw Man Apr 2023 #99

With the recoil of a 12 gauge shotgun I can understand why it would not be the weapon of choice Emile Apr 2023 #101

Yeah, but is your average shotgun as bad-ass looking a "platform" as an AR-15? Paladin Apr 2023 #80

Amen judesedit Apr 2023 #69

I completely agree Mr. Steve Apr 2023 #75

Doesn't really make much sense madville Apr 2023 #79

+++ llashram Apr 2023 #81

We must take to the streets. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #84

And what has "taking to the streets" accomplished ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #104

France The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #106

Sham - an unfortunate name. The M-16 and 5.56 are being deactivated... SYFROYH Apr 2023 #96

OK, after reading the currently 100 replies, It seems ... sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #103