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Pototan

(3,149 posts)
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 06:20 AM Apr 2023

I Support the Second Amendment [View all]

Especially the "Well Regulated" part.

When I end up arguing the gun issue with a gun nut, I always ask if they can recite the amendment, word for word, that they cite.

Very rarely can they respond correctly. They all know the "the right to bear arms" part, but few, if any, can cite the "well regulated" part.

So, here's my argument: The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"Well regulated Militia" can be interpreted one of two ways. It means the National Guard and "the People" who are part of that Militia are the only individuals with that "collective" right. That's not my interpretation, but I understand and respect that position.

My interpretation is that at the time of its ratification, the United States did not have a standing army. Each state had to provide their own defense. It was a rural and agrarian society. Therefore, all able-bodied men (in 1789, it was a male dominated society) were required to protect themselves, their families, their state or their community. If not by law, by culture. As a result of my interpretation, everyone was considered part of the Malatia as described in the second amendment. So, if we extend that original position, all current Americans can be considered part of a "Militia."

Under my interpretation, every American has the right to own a gun, but the government has every right to regulate that ownership in any way it sees fit. The gun should be registered. The owner should be trained and licensed. Assault weapons should be banned. Gun ownership should be for those citizens who have obtained 21 years. Ammunition should be regulated. Automatic weapons should be banned. And why the fuck should any civilian own body armor? Where is that protected in any interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. Concealed carry needs to be approved by a magistrate.

You know. "Well regulated", just like it says.

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RW gun nuts have a libertarian interpretation no_hypocrisy Apr 2023 #1
Here's an excellent song about the 2a to help remember it: ramen Apr 2023 #2
Read this book... Sancho Apr 2023 #3
The reality in the 18th century multigraincracker Apr 2023 #5
Many times, too many times multigraincracker Apr 2023 #4
I just say I interpret the 2A as originally intended by the founding fathers BubbaJoe Apr 2023 #6
I don't believe that the Second Amendment RocRizzo55 Apr 2023 #7
Good point. Seinan Sensei Apr 2023 #16
I want a stinger for deer hunting. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #18
I support the Second Amendment.... lastlib Apr 2023 #8
The Electoral College isn't the problem... it's the cap of 435 reps Model35mech Apr 2023 #11
Can you imagine the yowling from the GOP? plimsoll Apr 2023 #20
Yes, I CAN imagine the YOWLING!!!! Model35mech Apr 2023 #25
Funny how they always skip over that part COL Mustard Apr 2023 #9
Up voted Glaisne Apr 2023 #31
Ask a gun-humper how many commas there are in the 2nd amendment. lastlib Apr 2023 #10
Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2023 #14
You may actually be able to solve story problems. plimsoll Apr 2023 #21
The use of old english makes is difficult to interperate The Grand Illuminist Apr 2023 #12
Careful there. plimsoll Apr 2023 #22
That's essentially retired Justice John Paul Steven's argument. paleotn Apr 2023 #13
Since there are so many spectacular misinterpretations, deadly misinterpretations, I support its... NNadir Apr 2023 #15
Good Luck Pototan Apr 2023 #27
I'm an old man. I've seen many "impossible" things happen. If this country survives... NNadir Apr 2023 #29
I'm also an idealist Pototan Apr 2023 #32
The NRA has the Second posted in their lobby in DC. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #17
Thank you JanLip Apr 2023 #19
Times change Glaisne Apr 2023 #23
My exact feelings Pototan Apr 2023 #28
in a nutshell, i believe "the people" here is meant as a collective, not "each person". unblock Apr 2023 #24
The GOP does not care about the 2A. It just a tool to terrorize and control the populace. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #26
What's the point in arguing with someone about the meaning? Kaleva Apr 2023 #30
The only way to change SCOTUS Pototan Apr 2023 #33
Do you really think you can change the mind of a 'gun nut'? Kaleva Apr 2023 #34
Elections are about the 8% of persuadables Pototan Apr 2023 #35
So when you ask a gun nut to recite the 2nd Amendment... Kaleva Apr 2023 #38
A gun nut is... Pototan Apr 2023 #39
I wont quibble with your definition Kaleva Apr 2023 #40
Thanks Pototan Apr 2023 #41
Forgive me; I think I understand your sentiment, but snot Apr 2023 #36
I respect your opinion... Pototan Apr 2023 #37
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