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summer_in_TX

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73. After Sandy Hook, things teetered on the edge

Tue Apr 11, 2023, 11:53 PM

Apr 2023

of positive change.

But the NRA was focus testing messages, I'd guess. The word that turned it around? Freedom. Once they started to talk about the personal freedom issue, things quickly swung away from controlling guns in spite of the horrific killings. Americans are primed to value freedom. Polling shows freedom ranks 22 points above the value of justice.

Guess which party knows that and which one doesn't. (I knew you could.)

Knowing that, what freedoms can gun control advocates claim? How about the freedom to be safe in our schools, banks, movies, concerts, churches, streets? Freedom to live in a society that is not the Wild Wild West without the rule of law.

Better than the justice argument on abortion, how about keeping the freedom to decide what our own lives are going to be like, freedom to decide whether and when to be a parent, freedom not to be forced to carry our rapist's baby, freedom to create the life we dream of?

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The Shame of America [View all] kentuck Apr 2023 OP

Very well said, Kentuck. FalloutShelter Apr 2023 #1

Cmon, let's get this on Greatest! raccoon Apr 2023 #2

I hate to say this, but it might take the leaking of photos of the bodies of dead kids to wake us up TheRickles Apr 2023 #3

Yup, sadly yes. nt LittleGirl Apr 2023 #25

Or, instead of that, a documentary film about the wnylib Apr 2023 #26

Films are too long and too easy to ignore ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #76

As horrific as that would be, I agree. LoisB Apr 2023 #27

Even if the parents would allow pictures of their kids DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #57

Everything you said is true. Then I wonder if they saw them would they even care? LoisB Apr 2023 #60

Probably not DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #64

I am afraid that is true, this would be "preaching to the choir." colorado_ufo Apr 2023 #74

That's when you put the images on placards ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #77

Better yet DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #80

I recently saw a clip online SouthernLiberal Apr 2023 #30

That sounds like the clip I saw of Charlie Kirk. n/t area51 Apr 2023 #45

AR-15 vs. meat and bone (a side of beef) TheRickles Apr 2023 #33

This video JanLip Apr 2023 #42

Sorry to have to agree, but you're right. (nt) Paladin Apr 2023 #34

It has come to this Larissa Apr 2023 #38

I had the same thought... Redleg Apr 2023 #56

I think the strategy of trying to shock Repubicans with tragedy is a failed one SYFROYH Apr 2023 #78

Republicans. betsuni Apr 2023 #4

YES. We should never take the focus off of them. lastlib Apr 2023 #5

Only sick people Delmette2.0 Apr 2023 #6

We have allowed ourselves to be bullied and terrorized dlk Apr 2023 #7

Guns are for killing, and The Bible says... czarjak Apr 2023 #8

Like evangelicals ever read the thing. Ray Bruns Apr 2023 #36

I have news for you: ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #79

well said. barbtries Apr 2023 #9

Amen. Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #10

It is a shame that we may have no choice The Grand Illuminist Apr 2023 #11

What is the last resort? Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #13

Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Ray Bruns Apr 2023 #19

It is no longer about the second amendment. It is about the moral cowardice of the American people. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #22

Nope The Grand Illuminist Apr 2023 #48

I honestly have no idea what you mean. ShazzieB Apr 2023 #63

Easy to say, incredibly hard to do. ShazzieB Apr 2023 #62

Americans are displaying the biggest act of moral cowardice in my lifetime. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #12

We are a large majority. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #16

The majority sits by and lets democracy fail. Pretending there is nothing to be done about it. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #20

I will ask the same question I always ask The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #23

I just posted this idea: Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #24

I read your post and commented. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #39

Thanks Jungle. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #54

That will prove to be impossible I fear. Ligyron Apr 2023 #31

Politics and change is not always about getting what you are asking for. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #35

What elected Democratic leader supports repealing the 2nd? former9thward Apr 2023 #68

A vast majority of Americans want to stop the mutilation of children. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #69

Agreed. Ray Bruns Apr 2023 #37

The politics of change are not always about getting what you are asking for The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #40

It will take Article V remedies The Grand Illuminist Apr 2023 #49

Amen (So be it)! nt pazzyanne Apr 2023 #14

Well, if they won't regulate guns, UpInArms Apr 2023 #15

Bwahahahahaha! Oh, you're serious. Ray Bruns Apr 2023 #41

Just exhausted with all of it UpInArms Apr 2023 #46

Branded as murderers, I agree Butterflylady Apr 2023 #17

Please be sure and send all these rants to you congressional representatives. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #18

The judges who single-handedly shoot down all common sense sinkingfeeling Apr 2023 #21

And very few mass-shooters have criminal backgrounds. The gun nuts LeftinOH Apr 2023 #28

Thats true of high profile public shootings Zeitghost Apr 2023 #53

Excellent. Thank you. LoisB Apr 2023 #29

Graphic pictures of the damage need to be put on front page and all media randr Apr 2023 #32

Tax the hell out of the ammunition. debm55 Apr 2023 #43

Just one problem The Grand Illuminist Apr 2023 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #44

I totally agree sellitman Apr 2023 #47

Right On marieo1 Apr 2023 #50

i can't add much more than what everyone else has said here, but infullview Apr 2023 #52

...K&R... spanone Apr 2023 #55

Wow. Brilliantly stated! Thanks!!! bluboid Apr 2023 #58

I love your posts samplegirl Apr 2023 #59

I don't ever want to build up calluses to this. It no longer surprises me and it should. Prairie_Seagull Apr 2023 #61

None of this is on liberals, pacifists, anti-war protestors or LBGTQ. This is on NRA/GOP/Nazis. n/t Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #65

K&R onecaliberal Apr 2023 #66

Thank you, for saying it so we'll, kentuck wendyb-NC Apr 2023 #67

One thing that I have to believe... kentuck Apr 2023 #71

But where do we go from here? WVreaper Apr 2023 #70

It would be great if people simply understood the basic meaning of the 2nd Amendment, in my opinion. kentuck Apr 2023 #72

After Sandy Hook, things teetered on the edge summer_in_TX Apr 2023 #73

Mama Grizzly Old Crank Apr 2023 #75