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In reply to the discussion: Odd People [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,715 posts)The laws and concepts they are reciting exist, and are correct. They are just inapplicable in the situations to which they are trying to apply them.
So they don't have a full understanding, at least in the context of the laws in this country, which puts them in your category 2 or 5. But they don't fit in category 2 because of the complexity of their belief systems (i.e. they aren't ruled by memes). And they don't really don't fit in category 5 because, they their non-reality isn't related to believing those who agree with them are right.
And none of this has to do with others having equally valid opinions.
To simplify it - it is as if someone told then to calculate the volume of a cone and they looked in their formula book and pulled out a formula for volume which included a radius and a height - specifically the one to calculate the volume of a cylinder. The formula for the volume of a cylinder was correct, their calculations were flawless. But it was the wrong formula - and no matter how many differing opinions you seek out, you can't calculate the volume of a cone using the formula for the volume of a cylinder. Even though both are valid formulas and both objects have a radius and a height. The formulas are simply not interchangeable.
But sovereign citizens treat legal rules, in similar settings, as if they were interchangeable. No amount of opinion, however, can make Article I of the UCC (which governs the sale of goods) apply to a sovereign citizen's interactions in court. No matter how flawlessly they execute any of the provisions. But that is the basis for tacking on "without prejudice" or UCC 1-308 to their signatures. In a commercial transaction it would be valid and have a purpose. But appearning in court as a defendant is not a commercial transaction.