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Octafish

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54. When all are not equal under law, it is not the United States of America.

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:04 PM

Nov 2012

When the rich and powerful are allowed to make war on innocent nation; to kill innocent men, women and children for no reason other than to extract petroleum and whatever other mineral wealth they happen to live over; to spy on fellow citizens and collect their conversations, communications and personal papers with impunity; to torture men, women and children to make a "case" for war; to use their positions to redistribute wealth from the common purpose into the pockets of their connected cronies; when a president states to the press corps that "Money trumps peace," no, this is not the USA any more. It's something else. IMO, it's been that way since November 22, 1963.

Remember the people's representative in San Diego, the US Attorney who investigated corruption in military contracting? She ended up getting canned via Rove's list (no problemo, per Gonzales and Holder). Info from the great DUer hootinholler:

Carol Lam had a few irons in the fire before she was fired

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=371623

It really is up to the people, Sabrina. Thank you for standing up, now, over all the years, and always.

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Is David Petraeus Dirty? Ted Westhusing Said So, and Then He Shot Himself. [View all] Octafish Nov 2012 OP

bookmarking for later. Your posts are usually deep. nt silvershadow Nov 2012 #1

Please remember the name: WESTHUSING Octafish Nov 2012 #5

I was just thinking about him today while writing about Bradley Manning. And I was also sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #13

When all are not equal under law, it is not the United States of America. Octafish Nov 2012 #54

And Bunnatine "Bunny" Greenhouse. Whistleblower extraordinaire. reusrename Nov 2012 #57

''Bug Splat'' is reportedly a term used to describe the human victims of drone warfare. Octafish Nov 2012 #73

Another suicided victim? ailsagirl Nov 2012 #32

Oh he killed himself on his mother's birthday doncha know, the person he was closest to riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #40

People who don't believe in "conspiracy theories" should take note ailsagirl Nov 2012 #45

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral Octafish Nov 2012 #75

Thank you, Octafish. I think it's crucial to get this information out. ailsagirl Nov 2012 #76

+ Pat Tilman & Gold Star Military Families, also Cindy Sheehan's son, and all families of patrice Nov 2012 #66

+1 & Sharing. patrice Nov 2012 #67

me too. msanthrope Nov 2012 #9

I remember that hootinholler Nov 2012 #2

Thanks to Porter Goss, the CIA was a Big Profit Center or Fiscal Black Hole, take your pick... Octafish Nov 2012 #10

Oh Shit Not Those Horrid People AGAIN Foggo, Duke, Wilkes etc HangOnKids Nov 2012 #23

Funny that it all kind of ended when Duke Cunningham went to jail. hootinholler Nov 2012 #41

Like the 2T that Rummy copped to on 9/10/2001? hootinholler Nov 2012 #44

Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #17

That's probably what the FBI investigation is about - TBF Nov 2012 #38

The Federal Burrial Institution? hootinholler Nov 2012 #42

Exactly - they need to know what TBF Nov 2012 #46

Bookmarking as well, Petraeus was in the end, a Republican flamingdem Nov 2012 #3

Lie, Cheat & Steal is practically a coat-of-arms for sophisticated crime families. Octafish Nov 2012 #15

Thank you for this. Rec. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #4

'I went to the police, but it was like reporting the devil to the witch.' Octafish Nov 2012 #47

I'll read this later Hydra Nov 2012 #6

'I'll be found dead in the woods' Octafish Nov 2012 #74

K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #7

How War Made the Bush Family Rich Octafish Nov 2012 #58

to read later snagglepuss Nov 2012 #8

Love you Octafish malaise Nov 2012 #11

Why was he so...trusting? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #12

That kept jumping out at me as well. Weird nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #16

Because he was a good person. sibelian Nov 2012 #56

K&R n/t glinda Nov 2012 #14

Provocative and fascinating tie-in... things that make you go hmmm. K&R! riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #18

Thank you for another thought-provoking post, Octafish. LongTomH Nov 2012 #19

I found the Q and A of his wife after his death very interesting; see link below. ciking724 Nov 2012 #28

'It was almost verbatim.' Octafish Nov 2012 #50

I wonder if the wife is mad at herself marlakay Nov 2012 #60

I just heard on the news that now he will not testify in the Autumn Nov 2012 #20

Who? GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #25

Petraeus. Wolf on CNN said it.n/t Autumn Nov 2012 #26

Of course the Petraeus is dirty. He wouldn't have gotten the job othewise. He was a fraud too... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #21

Halliburton. PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #22

i'm finding it very fortuitous timing that Petraus' affair comes out nashville_brook Nov 2012 #24

There are some people here on DU who raised holy-effing hell when Petraus was installed. patrice Nov 2012 #27

i was one. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #55

I remember that. I was puzzled. I don't know very much about military culture, so he looked patrice Nov 2012 #59

I read all this years ago marlakay Nov 2012 #62

I remember a strong & early critique of that war was "a lack of human intelligence" which means that patrice Nov 2012 #64

Wow! k and r, and bookmarking this to read later eom amborin Nov 2012 #29

Wow. Thanks for posting this. I remember this too, and also posted an OP 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #30

K&R. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #31

Copied and emailed to the relevant few..... ouch, this looks like it is going to 2on2u Nov 2012 #33

Pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills usually do draw some interest when they are 'lost'. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #34

I read the entire thread, Octafish, and the links embedded Samantha Nov 2012 #35

Thank you for posting this....almost ashamed I didn't know about this sooner. Missn-Hitch Nov 2012 #36

K&R to read more carefully later. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2012 #37

a tragedy to learn the lesson of questioning authority so late NuttyFluffers Nov 2012 #39

You come up with the most marvelous information. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #43

Never liked or trusted him Ichingcarpenter Nov 2012 #48

There is the larger context of shrinking the military budget to consider. ancianita Nov 2012 #49

I've followed you for many years, mostly lurking.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #51

R#97 & K n/t UTUSN Nov 2012 #52

K&R nt raouldukelives Nov 2012 #53

Betrayus was a toadie for the AWOL Bush regime tabasco Nov 2012 #61

War Crimes Act of 1996: definition to include a "grave breach of the Geneva Conventions" reusrename Nov 2012 #63

FWIW: I am a Veteran & my father was a Veteran & I know lots of military in my family, ALL branches patrice Nov 2012 #65

Whose Soldiers?!! *O*U*R* Soldiers! Never Forget! patrice Nov 2012 #68

More links. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #69

Thank you, proverbialwisdom. Must-Reads. Octafish Nov 2012 #72

Bookmarking for later. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #70

k & r MinM Nov 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Hey There2 Jan 2014 #77

WAR IS WAR: WESTHUSING --A DEATH IN IRAQ Hey There2 Jan 2014 #78

Thank you, Hey There2! Octafish Jan 2014 #79