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Hortensis

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14. No. He thinks it's dangerously counterproductive to call EVERYTHING fascism.
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 07:15 PM
Apr 2023

Important words have important, powerful meanings that need to be protected so they can be used to help people understand threats and solutions and take the right stands.

These days eager mudslingers on both right and left grab the word "fascism" to hurl at each other, like rock, mud, rotten melon rind, whatever it actually is doesn't matter as long as it's available and sounds bad.

There are different kinds of RW authoritarianism, of various degrees of extremism, and fascism is only one of them, albeit one of the very worst.

Our RW opponents here are not all fascists, and that's a mercy.

tRump's probably a sorta wannabe fascist because he loves the idea of people having to adore him as embodiment of "the state" they pledge to serve. His MAGAs are generally authoritarian personalities and ready to obey and worship, less so others who vote for him. I took a look at Tom's entries, and agree with the poster who thinks he may be too "lazy" to commit to what it would take to impose on others, though. Also too cowardly to try.

I think there's virtually no chance McConnell and most of his wing are the slightest bit interested in making the giant investments of wealth and attention to impose and maintain fascist control on society, to change culture to serving the state over individual rights.

Even the most greedy RWers, authoritarian and otherwise, in other nations are typically happy to let people live mostly free and get along as they choose, just coming down on those who cross them and dissidents who threaten their control.

It's of course necessary to know who your enemies and your potential allies are, and who theirs are also.

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That's what the Germans initially said, it's just a fad, it really isn't that bad and Hitler rose .. RKP5637 Apr 2023 #1
Please check a dictionary......... DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #28
Why in the world did you send this to me??? n/t RKP5637 Apr 2023 #54
I am not sure RKP DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #55
Hi, all is well. I was really confused as I was trying to understand ... Thanks for RKP5637 Apr 2023 #56
Hitler's Emergency Edicts were "temporary" or so he said. no_hypocrisy Apr 2023 #2
We now know that it has been decades in the making, funded by dark money and our enemies. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #3
it's highly organized, just not out in the open. mopinko Apr 2023 #5
Let's be honest, they bought a big chunk of all three branches of US government. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #8
Senator Whitehouse outlined the plan on Lawrence O'Donnell's show. The Powell Memo... keep_left Apr 2023 #37
Thanks to you and Sen. Whitehouse. oasis Apr 2023 #51
You're welcome. keep_left Apr 2023 #53
his is a long thread full of bs. mopinko Apr 2023 #4
Nichols: "...at some point, there has to be some kind of minimal... dchill Apr 2023 #6
Then what should it be called? nt GuppyGal Apr 2023 #7
fascism lite? mopinko Apr 2023 #9
the word "fascism" has been soooo overused... WarGamer Apr 2023 #10
how do you define the word? mopinko Apr 2023 #12
Sure... I'll give a brief summary. WarGamer Apr 2023 #15
A good definition is great, but plimsoll Apr 2023 #25
So you're saying that... WarGamer Apr 2023 #30
I agree that they have meaning, plimsoll Apr 2023 #40
We'll just agree to disagree. WarGamer Apr 2023 #43
It's fine. plimsoll Apr 2023 #49
and slightly off topic... WarGamer Apr 2023 #33
Amen to that. plimsoll Apr 2023 #41
Yes, but Communist & Socialist equals liberal has worked wonders for the Right. hadEnuf Apr 2023 #24
Like I said... WarGamer Apr 2023 #34
Robert Paxton, a historian and political scientist who specializes in fascism Poiuyt Apr 2023 #52
Where has he been the last seven years? LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #11
Well Said, Mo!! Cha Apr 2023 #13
No. He thinks it's dangerously counterproductive to call EVERYTHING fascism. Hortensis Apr 2023 #14
Hmmmm.... SouthernDem4ever Apr 2023 #16
Assumed that was implicit in "greedy RW" powers, but yes. Hortensis Apr 2023 #18
There may be a few greedy powers who think that way SouthernDem4ever Apr 2023 #42
Precisely. WarGamer Apr 2023 #17
:) Precisely, and so beautifully concisely. Hortensis Apr 2023 #19
define modern. mopinko Apr 2023 #38
Like I wrote above... WarGamer Apr 2023 #45
conservatives dont believe those things now, mopinko Apr 2023 #46
and you can call it what YOU like, mopinko Apr 2023 #47
there we agree... there certainly IS a threat to our American form of Democracy. WarGamer Apr 2023 #48
Straw man Nasruddin Apr 2023 #27
The U.S.A. has never been anything but "fascist light," the "light" as in beer... hunter Apr 2023 #50
"At some point there has to be..." - no, there really doesn't. NullTuples Apr 2023 #20
Sorry but he's full of shit. onecaliberal Apr 2023 #21
Don't kid youself! What we are seeing on the right is highly organized. There are a large number flashman13 Apr 2023 #22
"starts with telling ppl overreacting" UTUSN Apr 2023 #23
Tom Nichols is an idiot Marius25 Apr 2023 #26
You got that right. roamer65 Apr 2023 #31
+1!!🕯️🕊 Cha Apr 2023 #44
There won't be any appointed MAGAt governors of the blue states. roamer65 Apr 2023 #29
Whatever it is.. liberal N proud Apr 2023 #32
rofl... WarGamer Apr 2023 #35
+1 exactly bronxiteforever Apr 2023 #36
Here's a usage from a recent book on law plus related practices in the Jim Crow era 4dog Apr 2023 #39
What Tom Nichols REALLY thinks and says: Hortensis Apr 2023 #57
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