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48. Yes, a debate is about DEBATING. It's not about fact checking...

Reply to OldDem2012 (Reply #40)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:46 PM

Nov 2012

when determining who won. It's a sparring match.

When Romney lied, which he did...what determined the winning and the losing was that...the debate opponent ALLOWED IT and didn't call him on it.

The purpose of a debate is to do JUST THAT....one-up your debate opponent in DEBATING. It's a speaking, argument PERFORMANCE.

Obama lost, when he let his opponent lie repeatedly without calling him on it. Obama stuttered, was not prepared, and his manner of speaking, which is naturally halting and thoughtful didn't lend itself well in that particular situation.

Obama had a bad night. It's not about truth. It's about DEBATING. Got it?

That's why Obama's numbers sunk in the polls and stayed there until after the 2nd presidential debate, which Obama won.

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They received a shellacking in the House vote too. Too bad for gerrymandering. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #1

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #2

Yep - it's hilarious how they are now using the gerrymandering malaise Nov 2012 #13

I thought it was going to be close. I have nothing to apologize for.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #3

No need for names malaise Nov 2012 #18

I went by data. Not pundits. Those who thought he'd win a landslide, that was wishful thinking Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #26

The popular vote was not close at all malaise Nov 2012 #30

Yes. About 1.5%. I hadn't realized it had gone up that much from FL. Election night it was 1%.nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #44

And still counting brush Nov 2012 #51

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Adding a recent post by DUer Creek Dog.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #43

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Uniform laws in each states, getting rid of Citizen's United cali Nov 2012 #14

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actually, what you suggest is simply one interpretation cali Nov 2012 #23

I said legitimate political system not malaise Nov 2012 #27

I hope (against hope?) that Congress tackles this issue. The RIGHT to vote EASILY Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #31

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I thought it was a slam dunk after the Dem Nat'l Convention. Then the 1st debate happened. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #11

Only the media could push the view that one debate could decide the plethora of issues malaise Nov 2012 #21

It wasn't the issues alone. It was performance. As Obama himself joked... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #22

Debate performance? malaise Nov 2012 #29

I seem to recall that Romney lied and flip-flopped constantly during that first debate..... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #40

100% correct malaise Nov 2012 #41

Yes, Romney lied. But the fact is....Obama lost. Yes, Romney's a lying SOS.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #46

I got it exactly right. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #69

You weren't watching the same MSNBC I was watching during and after the 1st debate. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #47

Yes, I watched those screamers at MSNBC and was horrified by their bad behavior..... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #57

Sigh. This isn't a controversy. Obama lost the 1st debate hands down. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #45

Yes, a debate is about DEBATING. It's not about fact checking... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #48

Hmmm. "It's not about fact checking"????.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #58

No. The PEOPLE decide who won. Not fact checkers afterwards. Millions decided Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #63

IF a debate is not about fact cheking malaise Nov 2012 #62

The PEOPLE decide who won. If a debater lies, and the other debater doesn't call him on it... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #66

Here ya go. Funny stuff. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #50

Ignore. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #59

I know you can't see this, but for the record: If you can't take facts, why are you in a forum like Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #60

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