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Showing Original Post only (View all)Chief Justice John Roberts' Mockery of Stalking Victims Points to a Deeper Problem [View all]
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/counterman-colorado-supreme-court-threats-stalking.htmlStalking is so closely correlated with lethal violence that experts refer to it as slow motion homicide: More than half of all female homicide victims in the U.S. were stalked before they were killed. Despite the terrifying and dangerous consequences, many victims of stalking do not report the abuse to law enforcement for fear they will not be taken seriously.
The reasonableness of that fear was vividly illustrated by the Supreme Court oral arguments in Counterman v. Colorado on Wednesday morning, as members of the highest court of the land joked about messages sent by a stalker to his victim, bemoaned the increasing hypersensitivity of society, and brushed aside consideration of the actual harm of stalking to focus on the potential harm of stalking laws.
For nearly two years, Billy Raymond Counterman sent thousands of unsolicited and unwanted Facebook direct messages to C.W., a local musician, ultimately driving her to abandon her career and leave the state. Counterman, who had previously served time in federal prison for making violent threats against his ex-wife and her family, argues that his conduct towards C.W. was free speech protected by the First Amendment. Counterman maintains, supported by amicus briefs from influential civil libertarian organizations such as the ACLU, the EFF, and FIRE, that stalking cannot be criminally prohibited except when the government can prove that the stalker subjectively intended to terrify his victim. The state of Colorado, supported by amicus briefs from First Amendment scholars, stalking experts, and domestic violence victim advocates, argues that it is enough to prove that the stalking would be terrifying to a reasonable person in light of the totality of the circumstances. If the court rules in Countermans favor, delusional stalkingno matter how objectively terrifying or threateningwill be transformed into an inviolable constitutional right.
During oral argument, Chief Justice John Roberts quoted a handful of the thousands of unsolicited messages Counterman sent to C.W. Staying in cyber life is going to kill you, Roberts read aloud. After a pause, he joked, I cant promise I havent said that, prompting laughter from other justices and the audience. Picking out another message, which he described as an image of liquor bottles captioned as a guys version of edible arrangements, Roberts challenged Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser to say this in a threatening way, leading to more laughter from the court. And the laughs didnt stop there: Countermans attorney, John Elwood, shared with the court that his mother would routinely tell him to drop dead as a child, but you know, I was never in fear because of that.
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Nevilledog
Apr 2023
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If the shoe were on the other foot, they wouldn't be laughing, they'd pass a new law
MagickMuffin
Apr 2023
#3
Yep. Innocent protests and the SC gets top of the line expensive security, paid for by taxpayers.
Irish_Dem
Apr 2023
#5
the same court that cried like babies and demanded a new law when peaceful protesters
mopinko
Apr 2023
#6
Stalking is just an extension of domestic violence by an ex-boyfriend or husband.
Lonestarblue
Apr 2023
#12
If you think women are second class citizens this is one more case that proves the point. They are!
flashman13
Apr 2023
#16
This is horrifying. There's such a tiny slice of humanity this SCOTUS finds has any intrinsic value
Hekate
Apr 2023
#21
Just wow. How dreadful to be a hopeful stalking victim and have to hear this. nt
Hortensis
Apr 2023
#25
Stalking is funny, laughable? Just cyber-stalking or all forms? Is following someone
txwhitedove
Apr 2023
#26
As a criminal defense attorney, I find Roberts's behavior disturbing. They have a problem with
Pepsidog
Apr 2023
#27
This is one of those ACLU amicus briefs so focused on minutia it ends up doing harm
NullTuples
Apr 2023
#33
Roberts may have done so to hide the emergent property of there being 1000's of them
NullTuples
Apr 2023
#30
Roberts following the Tucker Carlson routine of cherry-picking data and then laughing at it.
Midnight Writer
Apr 2023
#37
I find it interesting that these guys could so casually lump their mothers together with
vanlassie
Apr 2023
#54
Asking a SCOTUS member with an Opus Dei approval to be reasonable on women's issues
DFW
Apr 2023
#40
Sounds like recess at elementary school. So many assholes with way too much power. nt
Evolve Dammit
Apr 2023
#42
This from the court that sought and got taxpayer funded protection for their personal property
Freethinker65
Apr 2023
#44
If he or his family was on the receiving end, I'd get he'd not be so cavalier about
Bristlecone
Apr 2023
#56
Odd how you can shoot someone in a 'stand your ground' state just because you are fearful.
70sEraVet
Apr 2023
#61