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Silent3

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100. While talk of UFOs results in comments from various viewpoints...
Wed Apr 26, 2023, 04:34 PM
Apr 2023

...in my experience, the proof demands you talk about here:

I have never gotten the impression that a skeptic who is mocking the topic of UFOs believes in alien life beyond Earth because there is, as yet, no proof of such which is the skeptic's entire argument.


...are, from most skeptics I encounter, about proof of alien visitation, or that a sighting of a UFO is indeed likely to be sighting of alien activity. Not just about whether alien life exists.

Although we don't really know enough about how life started on Earth to be sure of anything, a good lesson that the scientifically-minded have learned over time, after finding out that one's own people aren't at the center of a flat world, that the Earth isn't at the center of the solar system, that there's a whole galaxy beyond own little not-so-special solar system, and that our galaxy is just one of trillions, is that the safest bet is to bet we aren't so special or unique. If life can happen here, it can probably happen anywhere that conditions are favorable.

This isn't proof of the existence of alien life, just an argument in favor of its likelihood. It's a poor skeptic (or just a straw man parody of a skeptic) who treats lack of definitive proof of X as practically the same thing as proof that X does not exist.

(The biggest thing to give one pause about the existence specifically of intelligent alien life is the Fermi Paradox. While I still would guess intelligent alien life out there somewhere is more likely than not, the Fermi Paradox does make me wonder just how lonely and far from the that life we might be, if it's out there at all.)

On the other hand, proof of alien visitation is quite another thing. With the evidence there being of very poor quality, and with provable cases of people being fooled by much more mundane events, and the known foibles of human psychology, Occam's Razor favors mundane events over alien visitation whenever and wherever solid proof does not exist, no matter how passionately some people believe their own experience "proves" otherwise.

What I have seen are comments to the effect "why would alien life do this or that?" and "do you realize the type of craft required to travel that distance?"


Comments of that sort are the poorest of arguments against alien visitation. It seems a fair number of people get off on decrying how terrible humanity is, and will use UFO talk as an opportunity to vent their disdain for our species with comments like "why would they bother visiting us?" -- which even misses the point that a visit might be necessary first before even forming an opinion if we're "worthy" of attention or not.

It's also not wise to project human levels of patience for possible long-term projects, or human conceptions of what constitutes "too much effort" onto alien life that could have greatly advanced technology, especially since it's not even that hard to extrapolate probing the entire galaxy, and even beyond, from current human technology.

I'll admit I can be disdainful of some UFO believers because I think developing a skeptical mind, and learning that "personal experience" is not the gold standard of knowledge and understanding, is an important element of maturity and of being a good citizen.

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I saw one when I was in college crud Apr 2023 #1
Pictures? Videos? Ptah Apr 2023 #2
I wish I had a video. The event I described occured befor the coming of the smart phone camera. flashman13 Apr 2023 #11
If, as you assert, "Sightings are very common." there should be at least one photo or video. Ptah Apr 2023 #13
There are thousands of films and videos from all over the world. One from the early 50s is of a flashman13 Apr 2023 #22
The cell phone camera isn't very good for this. edisdead Apr 2023 #29
True, as I have discovered. A gorgeous huge heron landed across the street & hung out... Hekate Apr 2023 #37
There are hundreds of videos. many quite clear and dating back to the 1930s. Rafi Apr 2023 #46
There are hundreds of videos. many quite clear and dating back to the 1930s. Rafi Apr 2023 #47
Crescent moon Tetrachloride Apr 2023 #3
winning the thread -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 2023 #8
LOL Disaffected Apr 2023 #19
Venus is above the moon when setting these days Tetrachloride Apr 2023 #24
Must mean something, Disaffected Apr 2023 #32
Haiku? royable Apr 2023 #41
)))) Tetrachloride Apr 2023 #53
...and the dish ran away with the spoon... BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #73
++. i might use that one. ) Tetrachloride Apr 2023 #78
Feel free lol! BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #79
I wish BlueLucy Apr 2023 #4
Indeed. Even as a child, that supposed singularity made no sense to me. niyad Apr 2023 #58
If they were intelligent, why would they come here? raccoon Apr 2023 #80
Curiosity, observation? BlueLucy Apr 2023 #94
Want to.. look all the time...nada.. MiHale Apr 2023 #5
There is intelligent life out there. Turbineguy Apr 2023 #6
We sure need one, don't we?! Delphinus Apr 2023 #9
Lol Calculating Apr 2023 #34
I was hoping... 2naSalit Apr 2023 #61
We saw those round orbs of light very often in central WI. LakeArenal Apr 2023 #7
Same here. roamer65 Apr 2023 #14
October of 2001 in Central WI we twice saw a a string of four lights. StClone Apr 2023 #81
4/11/2023..just hangin' on back patio 12 days ago..we watched the descent... asiliveandbreathe Apr 2023 #10
This is a good place to make this point. People believe in fairies, fantasies, and gods with no flashman13 Apr 2023 #18
Okay then, I still do not believe in ALIEN, other life form from outer space.. asiliveandbreathe Apr 2023 #28
Agree! MLAA Apr 2023 #42
Yes, well put...first is admitting there are anomalies that need examination. StClone Apr 2023 #90
I saw one above the White Sands Missile Range... BluesRunTheGame Apr 2023 #12
it seems to me that this topic upsets people in here for some reason anarch Apr 2023 #15
I agree padfun Apr 2023 #20
That's what governments want people to think. 'It's crazy...' triron Apr 2023 #31
I saw the "Phoenix Lights", as did thousands. I remember the pictures in the papers. niyad Apr 2023 #43
I was just outside of Prescott anarch Apr 2023 #57
If someone tells you they doubt your story, that does not mean they are "upset" Silent3 Apr 2023 #50
Interesting... OneGrassRoot Apr 2023 #59
You made an excellent point PatSeg Apr 2023 #62
Trying to discredit criticism by saying the person doing the criticizing is "upset"... Silent3 Apr 2023 #71
So it's use of descriptive terms that you're speaking to here? OneGrassRoot Apr 2023 #77
As for why to respond ("upset" or not) Silent3 Apr 2023 #96
Well... OneGrassRoot Apr 2023 #98
While talk of UFOs results in comments from various viewpoints... Silent3 Apr 2023 #100
OK then, without any speculation about anyone's emotional or mental state: anarch Apr 2023 #97
You're not wrong that people are critical about this stuff Silent3 Apr 2023 #99
how in the world do you remember the date??? nt orleans Apr 2023 #51
it was (and still is) the strangest thing I've ever seen anarch Apr 2023 #54
Sure. Goodheart Apr 2023 #16
MUFON Beaverhausen Apr 2023 #17
You're good Bro! They are Skared... Here's the Pentagon's UFO Release Last Week MartyTheGreek Apr 2023 #21
This post jogs my memoires. My dad flew with the 8th Air Force over Europe in 1944. I asked him flashman13 Apr 2023 #25
There's WW II pics out there blurry but show them... MartyTheGreek Apr 2023 #27
My experience Dave says Apr 2023 #23
Oh my god, how disappointing! PatSeg Apr 2023 #63
Military pilots have been spotting them since WWII. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #26
I cpuld go to church every sunday edisdead Apr 2023 #30
+1000 Duppers Apr 2023 #52
Why would you think that something that you could not identify was a "craft?" Chainfire Apr 2023 #33
I attach no special connotation to the word "craft". If you are more comfortable with object, flashman13 Apr 2023 #38
UFO Unidentified Flying Object. Lunabell Apr 2023 #35
Humans imagine shit all the time. nt BootinUp Apr 2023 #36
Have definitely seen things I couldn't explain, but suspect there is Silent Type Apr 2023 #39
No UFO's. Lots of ghosts, though Effete Snob Apr 2023 #40
Wow, where did you see them and what did they look like, if you don't mind sharing. MLAA Apr 2023 #44
In the sky Effete Snob Apr 2023 #60
A ghost aircraft, now that's creepy... ecstatic Apr 2023 #56
No, not "ghost aircraft" Effete Snob Apr 2023 #65
oh I see. That took a moment ecstatic Apr 2023 #67
They are frequently described as floating around Effete Snob Apr 2023 #83
Lol! BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #82
This is exactly where they come from Effete Snob Apr 2023 #84
Look out on the wing next time you fly! BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #85
That's one of the reasons I don't fly Effete Snob Apr 2023 #86
Slol! BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #88
I love your ideas! ecstatic Apr 2023 #91
I used to think that UFOs were simply time travelers from the future Effete Snob Apr 2023 #92
My critical thinking led me to a different conclusion: ecstatic Apr 2023 #93
I have elves in my yard. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #74
That's why people get garden gnomes Effete Snob Apr 2023 #75
I know, but I have very small garden gnomes, or maybe they're just lazy. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #76
I've not been fortunate to see an unexplainable object or craft but have zero doubt they exist. MLAA Apr 2023 #45
I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Higherarky Apr 2023 #48
Sure intrepidity Apr 2023 #49
Lol. Haven't seen a UFO, but a psychic told me that I was abducted by aliens. ecstatic Apr 2023 #55
I can honestly say i saw an STAR bight object in the sky, when i was like 11 years old (late 50's) bluestarone Apr 2023 #64
No but I knew the guys in one of the most famous "alien abductions." nolabear Apr 2023 #66
My crazy grandma was a shipyard welder in World War II... hunter Apr 2023 #69
Whoof! What a story. nolabear Apr 2023 #70
Stuff I can't explain is stuff I can't explain, nothing more, nothing less. hunter Apr 2023 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author ZoltarSpeaks Apr 2023 #72
UFOs and Bigfoot Kennah Apr 2023 #87
How many UFO sightings edhopper Apr 2023 #89
There are UFOs, UAPs. Just what they are?.... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #95
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