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In reply to the discussion: UFOs are in today's news again. Step up DUers. If you have had a sighting, lets us all know. [View all]Silent3
(15,909 posts)100. While talk of UFOs results in comments from various viewpoints...
...in my experience, the proof demands you talk about here:
I have never gotten the impression that a skeptic who is mocking the topic of UFOs believes in alien life beyond Earth because there is, as yet, no proof of such which is the skeptic's entire argument.
...are, from most skeptics I encounter, about proof of alien visitation, or that a sighting of a UFO is indeed likely to be sighting of alien activity. Not just about whether alien life exists.
Although we don't really know enough about how life started on Earth to be sure of anything, a good lesson that the scientifically-minded have learned over time, after finding out that one's own people aren't at the center of a flat world, that the Earth isn't at the center of the solar system, that there's a whole galaxy beyond own little not-so-special solar system, and that our galaxy is just one of trillions, is that the safest bet is to bet we aren't so special or unique. If life can happen here, it can probably happen anywhere that conditions are favorable.
This isn't proof of the existence of alien life, just an argument in favor of its likelihood. It's a poor skeptic (or just a straw man parody of a skeptic) who treats lack of definitive proof of X as practically the same thing as proof that X does not exist.
(The biggest thing to give one pause about the existence specifically of intelligent alien life is the Fermi Paradox. While I still would guess intelligent alien life out there somewhere is more likely than not, the Fermi Paradox does make me wonder just how lonely and far from the that life we might be, if it's out there at all.)
On the other hand, proof of alien visitation is quite another thing. With the evidence there being of very poor quality, and with provable cases of people being fooled by much more mundane events, and the known foibles of human psychology, Occam's Razor favors mundane events over alien visitation whenever and wherever solid proof does not exist, no matter how passionately some people believe their own experience "proves" otherwise.
What I have seen are comments to the effect "why would alien life do this or that?" and "do you realize the type of craft required to travel that distance?"
Comments of that sort are the poorest of arguments against alien visitation. It seems a fair number of people get off on decrying how terrible humanity is, and will use UFO talk as an opportunity to vent their disdain for our species with comments like "why would they bother visiting us?" -- which even misses the point that a visit might be necessary first before even forming an opinion if we're "worthy" of attention or not.
It's also not wise to project human levels of patience for possible long-term projects, or human conceptions of what constitutes "too much effort" onto alien life that could have greatly advanced technology, especially since it's not even that hard to extrapolate probing the entire galaxy, and even beyond, from current human technology.
I'll admit I can be disdainful of some UFO believers because I think developing a skeptical mind, and learning that "personal experience" is not the gold standard of knowledge and understanding, is an important element of maturity and of being a good citizen.
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UFOs are in today's news again. Step up DUers. If you have had a sighting, lets us all know. [View all]
flashman13
Apr 2023
OP
I wish I had a video. The event I described occured befor the coming of the smart phone camera.
flashman13
Apr 2023
#11
If, as you assert, "Sightings are very common." there should be at least one photo or video.
Ptah
Apr 2023
#13
There are thousands of films and videos from all over the world. One from the early 50s is of a
flashman13
Apr 2023
#22
True, as I have discovered. A gorgeous huge heron landed across the street & hung out...
Hekate
Apr 2023
#37
4/11/2023..just hangin' on back patio 12 days ago..we watched the descent...
asiliveandbreathe
Apr 2023
#10
This is a good place to make this point. People believe in fairies, fantasies, and gods with no
flashman13
Apr 2023
#18
Okay then, I still do not believe in ALIEN, other life form from outer space..
asiliveandbreathe
Apr 2023
#28
I saw the "Phoenix Lights", as did thousands. I remember the pictures in the papers.
niyad
Apr 2023
#43
If someone tells you they doubt your story, that does not mean they are "upset"
Silent3
Apr 2023
#50
Trying to discredit criticism by saying the person doing the criticizing is "upset"...
Silent3
Apr 2023
#71
You're good Bro! They are Skared... Here's the Pentagon's UFO Release Last Week
MartyTheGreek
Apr 2023
#21
This post jogs my memoires. My dad flew with the 8th Air Force over Europe in 1944. I asked him
flashman13
Apr 2023
#25
Why would you think that something that you could not identify was a "craft?"
Chainfire
Apr 2023
#33
I attach no special connotation to the word "craft". If you are more comfortable with object,
flashman13
Apr 2023
#38
Wow, where did you see them and what did they look like, if you don't mind sharing.
MLAA
Apr 2023
#44
I've not been fortunate to see an unexplainable object or craft but have zero doubt they exist.
MLAA
Apr 2023
#45
I can honestly say i saw an STAR bight object in the sky, when i was like 11 years old (late 50's)
bluestarone
Apr 2023
#64