Consensual or not?

[ecstatic]

9. What needs to be understood is that it was not a date gone wrong

I don't know if she specifically said "no" or not, but that's irrelevant because it was not a date or an encounter in which they were deciding whether to have sex or not. If it were a date, obviously the traditional guidance is to say "no" firmly and clearly in the event of a male partner attempting to have sex.

But Carroll's encounter with trump was more like a surprise attack from a criminal on the street. A violent, surprise attack requires a totally different script which consists of doing everything possible to survive. Carol's encounter must have been especially disorienting because of who the attacker was and the surrealness of it all. Nobody expects to be attacked like that within seconds of walking into a space. Nobody. And that stunned, disoriented, confused, terrified, caught off guard reaction is what men like trump rely upon.

When he grabs women "by the pussy," he incorrectly assumes that their responses, which I'm sure vary, signal consent when in reality, the women feel terror, shock, shame, embarrassment, anger, confusion, sadness, humiliation etc.

On a side note, there's no doubt in my mind that someone who would steal an election would also rape a person. He lost the election by every metric and he didn't give a fuck: he still tried to force himself into the presidency against our will.