then the lie is left to stand as truth. The people who are not following politics closely (that is, most people) don't know that debater #1 lied. But even those who do know, noticed Obama's performance. He wasn't able to speak coherently on some of the issues, he stuttered, he seemed unprepared. People noticed. Even Obama jokes about it ("I had a nice long nap during the first debate"
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Facts SHOULD be checked and pointed out. That IS done afterwards. But those 70 million who were watching that debate are not watching any of that. They don't know any of that. If the idea is to get votes (which it is), you have to convince those 70 million on that night, that YOU should be President.
The people decide who won and who lost, or rather...who they would or would not vote for. It's THEIR decision. Not Tweety's or mine or yours. That's how a debate is judged: by what the people think about the performances, and that is reflected in the polls.
Obama's numbers went down a good bit after that first debate, and they stayed there until the 2nd debate. Which Obama won (the PEOPLE decided that Obama won it).
Nate Silver discusses all this. And it's reflected in the polls. I don't understand why some people on DU are having a problem with this. All my Democratic friends noticed, hoping it wouldn't cost the election. It was common knowledge for most people who saw the debate. It happens. He's not God. Obama had a bad night.
Debates are about debating. It's an art, a skill, or whatever you want to call it. It's not just standing there and spouting your positions on issues. You are sparring with your opponent, back and forth...pointing out untruths, errors in their judgment, and in the meantime, showing your speaking and persuasion skills, your leadership and quick thinking.
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