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grantcart

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Mon May 8, 2023, 09:36 PM May 2023

Professor Tribe has moved to the right position on the 14th Amendment/Debt Ceiling [View all]

That position being the one that I have bored anyone who would listen for the last 10 years. On Lawrence O'Donnell he explained how he has changed his position.

After the Civil War the 14th Amendment was passed to enforce equal protection of law to all citizens, clarify issues of citizenship and other issues. One of the side issues brought into the Amendment passed in 1868 is an affirmation of public debt as a Constitutional principle.

Why did they include a statement on public debt?

After the Civil War the Confederate States no longer existed and the European banks that had extended credit to them had no recourse. Europe worried that the US government would also walk away from its debt so the principle of US debt was enshrined into the Constitution.

It means that if the US ever defaulted on its debt that the Creditors could go to Court to enforce payment of debt.

As the Executive power has grown the Congress started the "debt ceiling" as a way to get another "bite of the apple" to renegotiate appropriations already signed into law.

The 14th Amendment guarantees public debt and I hope that President Biden will take the steps to challenge it at the Supreme Court and return to "normal order of business" which existed prior to 1939 when Congress invented this unconstitutional tool to "enhance" its position in the government system.

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He makes a very compelling case. Mme. Defarge May 2023 #1
Time to end this madness. Joinfortmill May 2023 #2
I agree with Tribe! BComplex May 2023 #3
Sigh.. TY. I hope the SCOTUS Cha May 2023 #4
I like how Prof. Tribe explained his rationale WestMichRad May 2023 #5
TY.. I was about to ask the OP Cha May 2023 #6
I look at it from a different point of view. grantcart May 2023 #8
TY, grant. Cha May 2023 #14
it sounds to me like the criminals in the House NJCher May 2023 #7
It isn't just the House, the Senate now has a filibuster proof bloc of 43 to block any bill Schumer Celerity May 2023 #16
Or so they think NJCher May 2023 #25
hopefully it never comes to that, but until I see Biden officially announce he will go the 14th Celerity May 2023 #27
Well, of course NJCher May 2023 #28
Let me posit a scenario and see what you think about it. Let's say Biden does go the 14th Amendment Celerity May 2023 #29
jmho, but NJCher May 2023 #30
I don't see Biden acting without going to the court first grantcart May 2023 #31
This SCOTUS? SleeplessinSoCal May 2023 #9
However Harlan Crow tells his 6 to vote. SunSeeker May 2023 #13
I disagree, Crow only has one. Phoenix61 May 2023 #15
Leonard Leo represents billionaires like Harlan Crow. Crow bipassed the middleman with Thomas. SunSeeker May 2023 #17
True, he opted for the direct payment plan. nt Phoenix61 May 2023 #18
None of these greedy f&#*ks NJCher May 2023 #24
good points. n/t SleeplessinSoCal May 2023 #33
If the Largest holder of US Debt, the Japanese, sued to have grantcart May 2023 #26
Very important point. SleeplessinSoCal May 2023 #34
The SC doesn't look at just ideological (or legal issues) grantcart May 2023 #35
GOP way to deflect from themselves IbogaProject May 2023 #10
grantcart..... Upthevibe May 2023 #11
The standing issue alone will frustrate anyone who tries to sue Biden or the Treasury... Silent3 May 2023 #12
Here's the video of Laurence Tribe on with Lawrence O'Donnell, for those who missed it: Rhiannon12866 May 2023 #19
I'll probably watch this again NJCher May 2023 #20
Thanks! I need to watch it again, too! Rhiannon12866 May 2023 #22
Tks grantcart May 2023 #21
You're more than welcome, thanks for your great explanatory OP Rhiannon12866 May 2023 #23
Professor Tribe on Lawrence O'Donnell Kennah May 2023 #32
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