Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
24. Some very-red states, and red counties in blue states, are already taking the opinion that
Tue May 9, 2023, 11:11 PM
May 2023

they can nullify laws with which they don't agree... so what's the difference?


And, I don't expect for many "good SCOTUS decisions that protect individual freedoms" to be made for the next 20 or 30 years....

Please see my response to a previous poster here:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17899744


My reference to "troops" was tongue-in-cheek, but it is never-the-less true---
neither the Supreme Court nor the Congress has such means to enforce bad decisions.... and I believe that the vast majority of the American people would stand behind President Biden, if he took actions which "some people" might argue were "not entirely legal", in order to prevent catastrophic economic consequences for our country and the entire world, especially over a matter which was always considered 'routine'--- except when one party has embraced fascism, and wants to hold the whole world hostage in order to pass their agenda....

(on the other hand, there are credible legal arguments for citing the 14th amendment as an argument that the whole 'debt limit' law was unconstitutional from the beginning--- and other arguments for creating the "trillion dollar coin" which would render everything moot--- the Treasury Department coins money, and serves under the executive, that is, the President of the United States.)


President Biden might likely be impeached for it, but he would not be convicted or removed---
and recall that President Clinton actually had gains in the mid-terms after his impeachment...


President Biden has not "lied under oath" in any court case,
nor has he been getting blow-jobs from interns---

If he gets impeached over his response to the debt-limit crisis,
I believe the back-lash against Republicans would be even greater than it was
over their impeachment of President Clinton...


President Reagan once said,
"We will not negotiate with terrorists"...
(although later it was shown that his administration made secret arms deals with them)


These Republicans in congress are no less than terrorists who threaten the economic lives of us all,
by refusing to do their duty under the ill-advised debt limit law...

At this point I will support the President in refusing to give in to terrorists,
and taking any "extra-ordinary action" which will avert a default,
whether it might be considered "completely legal" or not---

After all, Republicans have proven that they don't give a shit about "the law".
They want to re-install a rapist and fascist to the White House. Fuck 'em.





Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

It's a constitutional crisis worth triggering IMO Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #1
If the Court had to vote on the merits, they'd probably rule 9-0 against the use of the 14th. onenote May 2023 #2
But wouldn't a default effectively render US bonds "invalid"? Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #4
I could read it a bit differently. Igel May 2023 #10
So bonds must be paid, and a budget bill is a law authorizing expenditures Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #11
Not as a legal concept. Again, think about common types of debt onenote May 2023 #12
You're making the word "valid" do a lot of heavy lifting here. Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #13
Really? What do you think the plain meaning of validity is? onenote May 2023 #14
Defaulting would cause the markets to consider US bonds invalid, worthless Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #15
What happens when you default on your credit card? onenote May 2023 #17
If you don't pay your credit card, it gets cancelled Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #19
Another point to consider Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #21
Not a lawyer, but unsure you're right Deminpenn May 2023 #6
How can they rule against what's in the Constitution? brush May 2023 #9
Agreed! DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #25
The question is this...would SCOTUS say we've set a precedent Buckeyeblue May 2023 #3
Well, it was supposed to be the Courts who "set precedents", not congress--- DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #26
Since 1960 Emile May 2023 #5
Mint the coin and slap McCarthy's face on it Arazi May 2023 #7
Mint a bunch of high value coins IbogaProject May 2023 #8
The President has more troops than the Supreme Court..... DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #16
That would be a dangerous precedent Silent3 May 2023 #18
It is indeed dangerous, but a necessary constitutional crisis that should be triggered Fiendish Thingy May 2023 #20
Some very-red states, and red counties in blue states, are already taking the opinion that DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #24
Inapt analogy onenote May 2023 #22
I applied that quote to the wrong case. I was not Dred Scot, it was Lincoln's suspension DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #23
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»14th Amendment emerges as...»Reply #24