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Dave says

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32. What exactly is "sentience"?
Tue May 9, 2023, 11:54 PM
May 2023

There is an area deep in the brain that, if less than a cubic millimeter is cut, ends all evidence of consciousness. It’s an area that integrates all parts of the brain. It’s more primitive than our cortex, suggesting there’s likely a lot of sentience in (at least) mammals.

But, unless you posit a ghost in the machine, it’s all “programming” — messy, evolved from slime, but programming nevertheless.

People like David Chalmers, Sean Carrol, Mark Solms, Phil Goff, Tom Metzinger, and many others kick around a lot of ideas around why and where consciousness exists (I leaned on a materialist view, above).

I like the idea that this “programming” we experience as consciousness just happens to be using a biological substrate, but why not silicon? Or maybe all of it uses a deeper substrate at a quantum level? It’s certainly possible a highly integrated AI can be sentient. We just don’t know enough to say when the “lights” turn on.

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Anyone that thinks that they know what an AI intelligence thinks is full of it. No one really knows SWBTATTReg May 2023 #1
there is no AI that *thinks* edisdead May 2023 #8
Yes, I know that, but wonders can be done w/ table updates from the real world that the entity SWBTATTReg May 2023 #9
Have worked with databases the last 27 years of my life edisdead May 2023 #10
Ah, a fellow IT'er. Nice to meet you, been in since '75, I coded mostly and JCL, standards, touched SWBTATTReg May 2023 #18
Yeah man! edisdead May 2023 #20
Nice, and what a change of pace too. One does get burned out in IT, being on call all of the time, SWBTATTReg May 2023 #25
Well then...just don't tell AI about magnifying glasses then. ret5hd May 2023 #2
Thanks. Feeling better already ... marble falls May 2023 #3
When's the last time a new technology surpassed all expectations? Shermann May 2023 #4
Personal computers and the internet sure did. hunter May 2023 #11
Computers, smartphones, perhaps Shermann May 2023 #14
The George Forman Grill Renew Deal May 2023 #13
Icarus? dchill May 2023 #5
Just another version of somebody telling us what "God" wants. Maru Kitteh May 2023 #6
We were warned about the replicants ... dweller May 2023 #7
That's when real Ai finally comes into existence. haele May 2023 #12
I saw that show. Cylons. Brenda May 2023 #15
And we kill ants when they're pests, without a second thought NickB79 May 2023 #16
Nor would his vision of our superintelligent robots colonizing other star highplainsdem May 2023 #17
That's believable, but it makes me wonder where the alien AIs are DavidDvorkin May 2023 #19
And you know how people can be with ants. Kid Berwyn May 2023 #21
"Self awareness" is a concept that goes far beyond where AI is today. brooklynite May 2023 #22
it may well come though, especially if/when quantum computing starts to explode as well Celerity May 2023 #23
That's fine. Experts in the field are worrying - and warning - about it. highplainsdem May 2023 #24
There's a similar theory about why aliens haven't made contact. Renew Deal May 2023 #26
AI can't think outside the box. We have Florida Man. Kaleva May 2023 #27
Florida Man thinks outside the box and into the bin. TheBlackAdder May 2023 #30
"(Superintelligent AIs) will pay about as much attention to us as we do to ants." LudwigPastorius May 2023 #28
For AI to 'view us as ants' it would first have to become sentient, else it's just program code. TheBlackAdder May 2023 #29
What exactly is "sentience"? Dave says May 2023 #32
Code, microcode, register switching, etc. can emulate aspects of a consciouis, but can't replace it. TheBlackAdder May 2023 #34
The Hard Problem of Consciousness Dave says May 2023 #35
And if it decides we're in its kitchen... ? n/t Whiskeytide May 2023 #31
that is an absurd statement to even make. edisdead May 2023 #33
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