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walkingman

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22. I personally like the Macron approach. Russia must be defeated but not crushed.

Tue May 30, 2023, 12:00 PM

May 2023

We like to think defending Ukraine deters China from assaulting Taiwan. Rather, it is that as Russia and China work to break the Eurasian security system, the U.S. must defend all aspects of that system or risk a complete unraveling.

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We should not be applauding the use of drones on civilians by our side of any side just because [View all] Raven May 2023 OP

DURec leftstreet May 2023 #1

Maybe not, but they gotta get the attention of the Russian people somehow Walleye May 2023 #2

By killing them? BlackSkimmer May 2023 #28

Yes, must abide by the rules of war. Sneederbunk May 2023 #3

on the other hand, sanctioning stopdiggin May 2023 #8

Yeah, we should and I do, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #4

This is it in a nutshell. ShazzieB May 2023 #54

Agree100%. Pinback May 2023 #5

+1. -(nt)- stopdiggin May 2023 #7

How many Ukrainians have died? It is a war. Demsrule86 May 2023 #10

It's a war and bad thing are going to happen. Ray Bruns May 2023 #31

That is sadly true. Demsrule86 May 2023 #46

Post removed Post removed May 2023 #11

Nope, Russia invaded the Ukraine. End of story. emulatorloo May 2023 #13

All wars must end in negotiation. This one will as well. walkingman May 2023 #20

"Ukraine must surrender to Putin so he doesn't blow up the world" emulatorloo May 2023 #27

Any talks of nukes or blowing up the world should never happen nonchalantly. walkingman May 2023 #44

And? Calculating May 2023 #65

I don't agree. Demsrule86 May 2023 #49

Exactly who is Russia a proxy for? NoRethugFriends May 2023 #15

I personally like the Macron approach. Russia must be defeated but not crushed. walkingman May 2023 #22

A proxy war? MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #16

Yep. That was my question. Still waiting for them to answer. NoRethugFriends May 2023 #30

I found Russia's proxy: MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #61

When I saw this it reeked of the Russians staging this Buckeyeblue May 2023 #14

I hope that Ukraine does not end up like Syria. Europe will have to deal with the aftermath walkingman May 2023 #32

What is not in our best long-term interests? Keeping Russia from destroying Ukrtaine?? NoRethugFriends May 2023 #34

It might be in our best interests for a weaken Russia but it is their neighbors walkingman May 2023 #40

So the interests of the Ukrainian people having their country taken over and destroyed is irrelevant? NoRethugFriends May 2023 #50

I see zero reason or evidence to believe Ukraine would end up as Syria did. Torchlight May 2023 #51

Ummm, Ukraine is nothing like Syria, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #63

Moscow is about 300 miles from the Ukranian border. CaptainTruth May 2023 #35

I think you're exactly right. To be honest, I think that there is a sizable Russian faction SWBTATTReg May 2023 #43

I have a very strong hunch that this was a false flag attack wnylib May 2023 #53

I'm very much in the "false flag" camp on this. ShazzieB May 2023 #57

I'm going with FALSE FLAG. Putin wants to get his people motivated Liberal In Texas May 2023 #59

I'm inclined to agree. wnylib May 2023 #62

The Bataan death march, unit 731, Nanking Calculating May 2023 #66

I doubt that the infants, children, pregnant women, elderly men and women, wnylib May 2023 #68

We also arguably SAVED many lives by nuking them to force a surrender Calculating May 2023 #69

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #71

As I said earlier, we could have achieved an end to the war wnylib May 2023 #72

The Atomic bombings were about breaking the will of the Japanese Military and civilian population, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #73

If Japan, in WWII, hadn't committed acts of atrocity, nor attacked the US, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #70

Japan attacked a military target at Pearl Harbor, wnylib May 2023 #74

As I said, it was total war, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #75

Recommended. H2O Man May 2023 #6

Drones rso May 2023 #9

Yes, having their homes bombed by drones sent by Ukraine is sure going to win their hearts and minds BlackSkimmer May 2023 #29

Drones rso May 2023 #47

Good points! ShazzieB May 2023 #60

Well you seem quite comfortable to parrot Putin's narrative on the attack. tritsofme May 2023 #12

Vlad approved. BannonsLiver May 2023 #17

I agree, he needs to scare the hell out of Russians to keep them on his side. Bev54 May 2023 #19

Reminds me of the 1999 apartment bombings. BadgerMom May 2023 #37

Based on previous actions by Russia Bettie May 2023 #18

What makes you think "our" side did this? Marius25 May 2023 #21

This - JustAnotherGen May 2023 #24

It's either a False Flag - or - JustAnotherGen May 2023 #23

did the drones attack residential buildings? maxsolomon May 2023 #25

A ruthless psychopath is destroying Ukraine, in his quest to rule the world. Irish_Dem May 2023 #26

He is not going to invade any NATO country. maxsolomon May 2023 #58

I don't applaud the use of any weapon. Gore1FL May 2023 #33

There is a good analysis at the BBC, including video Warpy May 2023 #52

Gawd, I hate these "We" threads that actually mean "You." Iggo May 2023 #36

I must have missed it. Were the drones targeting civilians? Raven123 May 2023 #38

Re "it is the only way to get the attention of the Russian people" CommonHumanity May 2023 #39

I agree. If a war is fought to promote the moral arc of history, it should be conducted so. mjvpi May 2023 #41

From what we can see, this was not designed to kill anyone. It was low end explosives ashredux May 2023 #42

I don't think those drones came from Ukraine Botany May 2023 #45

I think it's unlikely it was the Ukrainians directly ... Kennah May 2023 #48

This Is WAR! PaulnFortWorth May 2023 #55

+ pwb May 2023 #56

War - what is it good for malaise May 2023 #64

It's good for nothing, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #67