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12. What principle?? The principle should be yes or no, for or against a default.

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Wed May 31, 2023, 03:55 PM

May 2023

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Bernie is a no on debt ceiling bill [View all] Marius25 May 2023 OP

Bernie wouldn't support something like this unless he is absolutely needed ColinC May 2023 #1

But people like him, Warren, etc. making symbolic votes only hurts our (Democratic) cause while... W_HAMILTON May 2023 #8

The deal is bad but probably the best we'll get ColinC May 2023 #11

No, that's not the case. We need people to remind everyone the importance of... W_HAMILTON May 2023 #26

Democrats just negotiated with terrorists largely because they had no choice ColinC May 2023 #27

No we don't. I do agree about voting Democratic but that is not the way it works. Demsrule86 May 2023 #99

It's exactly how it works. The gop just threatened to destroy our economy ColinC May 2023 #107

And Biden forced the GOP to negotiate a budget that is nothing like the budget the GOP wanted, lapucelle May 2023 #112

Biden played it as best he could ColinC May 2023 #113

What "millions" will be experiencing unnecessary food insecurity? lapucelle May 2023 #119

Excuse me, 900,000. so not quite "millions" ColinC Jun 2023 #134

The stat is not based Biden's debt ceiling deal. It's based the bill House Republicans were pushing. lapucelle Jun 2023 #140

They are citing the same deal that expands food stamps to veterans ColinC Jun 2023 #158

There is neither a citation nor a link in the Portland Herald story reposted on Yahoo. lapucelle Jun 2023 #165

Actually, a lot of people need to be reminded that this deal is bad MadameButterfly May 2023 #63

It is not a bad deal. And those that voted no were allowed to do so. We didn't need the votes. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #161

it's better than it might have been MadameButterfly Jun 2023 #173

Why is it a bad deal? N/T lapucelle May 2023 #57

it is a good deal in fact...have any considered who will administer the new work requirements? Demsrule86 May 2023 #73

And the CBO scored this an an EXPANSION of SNAP. lapucelle May 2023 #77

Many of the people who rely upon SNAP, and are legally entitled to it, DemocraticPatriot May 2023 #82

Who will be newly required to "re-justify themselves every three months"? lapucelle May 2023 #104

They likely would have no benefits if we breached the debt ceiling. It could take months if not year Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #163

We just cut millions of people off of food stamps ColinC May 2023 #91

How would that be possible? betsuni May 2023 #92

14th amendment ColinC May 2023 #94

How do you know that would work? betsuni May 2023 #95

It might not, but it would set an even more clear line in the sand that terrorism is not okay ColinC May 2023 #103

And this destroy the economy There is no guarantee SCOTUS would side with us and any judge Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #162

No we didn't. We are in charge of who is considered able to work...think about that. Seriously, Demsrule86 May 2023 #96

Not true. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #164

Joe Manchin's pipeline and changes to NEPA MadameButterfly May 2023 #122

We need to hold that WV senate seat, and the changes to NEPA concern streamlining the process. lapucelle May 2023 #126

streamlining the bill under threat by extortionists MadameButterfly Jun 2023 #144

Not all environmentalists are against the changes. lapucelle Jun 2023 #155

We need people to remind us how bad it is? betsuni May 2023 #70

Right...all such reminders would do is discourage voters....I am puzzled why one would do that. Demsrule86 May 2023 #98

Cynicism and give-up-everything's-rigged and corrupt discouragement is the point. betsuni May 2023 #101

we are trying to discourage voters from voting Republican MadameButterfly May 2023 #123

Virtue signaling is all the rage EX500rider Jun 2023 #145

Symbolic votes that do not block something from passing do far less damage than actual blockers Celerity May 2023 #29

I am no fans of theirs either. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #31

These "symbolic" votes are good at bringing in the fundraising dollars, I'm sure. tritsofme May 2023 #37

Calling Sanders a coward says more about you than Sanders Mysterian May 2023 #46

Yea sure. tritsofme May 2023 #48

+Millions!! Amen! Cha May 2023 #85

Hear hear! edisdead May 2023 #108

+1 Celerity May 2023 #62

I believe if they were needed that AOC, Warren and Sanders would vote for this bill...this is Demsrule86 May 2023 #71

There was room for political posturing, so politicians on both sides took it. calguy May 2023 #118

And Bernie has accomplished very little, calguy May 2023 #115

He has inthewind21 Jun 2023 #146

Sanders is not a coward, that is a ridiculous smear Celerity May 2023 #61

Meh, I would disagree. tritsofme May 2023 #75

nope, and like the other poster said, it says more about you than Sanders Celerity May 2023 #79

Making show votes against your party's president to score points with his base tritsofme May 2023 #83

Not a bit. Cha May 2023 #87

+1 betsuni May 2023 #97

You mean like Manchin and Sinema, who actually blocked massive parts of Biden's agenda? Celerity May 2023 #102

If manchin and sinema are the defense that is a weak defense edisdead May 2023 #109

they are just examples of actual harm done to our party and Biden's agenda nt Celerity May 2023 #110

REAL Progressives agree with you Celerity SunImp May 2023 #132

What is a REAL Progressive, exactly? betsuni Jun 2023 #133

Exactly inthewind21 Jun 2023 #147

This is correct jcgoldie Jun 2023 #136

But it's perfectly fine to vote against gun control if one is a senator from a rural state and betsuni Jun 2023 #141

There are a lot of ways to disagree with Bernie on this vote MadameButterfly May 2023 #125

The success of the ACA over the years has made more people comfortable with government betsuni Jun 2023 #135

yes, and these are the people who care only about money and attention MadameButterfly May 2023 #64

Joe Manchin says he will vote with Republicans to overturn Biden's student-debt relief Celerity May 2023 #68

He can't change the bill...it has to remain intact or there won't be time... Demsrule86 May 2023 #72

you can disagree with Bernie but MadameButterfly May 2023 #30

Then you tell me what it's about? W_HAMILTON May 2023 #33

There are people who disagree MadameButterfly May 2023 #44

Exactly! Thank you. betsuni May 2023 #36

O'Donnell says it is a an act...that although some policies are not liked everyone has to Demsrule86 May 2023 #69

Something like what? An expansion of SNAP eligibility and new exemptions from work requirements lapucelle May 2023 #81

They have the votes easy calguy May 2023 #2

So default is better?? honest.abe May 2023 #3

He understands it. calguy May 2023 #5

or trying to make a point. MadameButterfly May 2023 #47

I can't disagree with you on that. calguy May 2023 #117

Thank You! Cha May 2023 #86

Yeah, it's a big mystery. Cha May 2023 #6

They know that Schumer has the votes, so they can stand on principle AZSkiffyGeek May 2023 #9

And that leads to their principles remaining principles... W_HAMILTON May 2023 #10

Yong Progressive voters MadameButterfly May 2023 #50

WOW inthewind21 Jun 2023 #148

i don't even know what you are talking about MadameButterfly Jun 2023 #172

What principle?? The principle should be yes or no, for or against a default. honest.abe May 2023 #12

I agree, but that's not the reality of politics AZSkiffyGeek May 2023 #16

They should all vote believing their vote is critical to passage of the bill. honest.abe May 2023 #22

Yes, as if there was more he could've done and didn't. betsuni May 2023 #38

Right. I wonder what Bernie would have done in this situation if he were President? honest.abe May 2023 #40

Thank goodness we will never have to find out. tritsofme May 2023 #51

Absolutely, then said what he's said in the past about bipartisan votes: betsuni May 2023 #54

Nothing positive to say about the party and the president and a ban on criticizing the deal? MadameButterfly May 2023 #53

Joe Biden is a hard-core liberal who actually gets things done. lapucelle May 2023 #60

Mahalo.. I don't know Why that's Cha May 2023 #88

Hi Cha! They seem to be very invested in not getting it. Nixie Jun 2023 #170

Aloha, Nixie! Cha Jun 2023 #175

Movement progressive. betsuni Jun 2023 #176

It's a shame this has to be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over on DU. betsuni May 2023 #100

Liberal compared to the whole political spectrum but MadameButterfly May 2023 #121

Biden is to the left of both Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman, and on par with Ilhan Omar, lapucelle May 2023 #124

+1 (I wish people wouldn't assume things just because they're told it's true) betsuni May 2023 #129

To purists, complete catastrophe is better than even minor compromises... BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #15

And if the minor compromise is just smaller catastrophe? GPV May 2023 #35

Do you think all of these votes weren't run through the Whip? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2023 #168

Larry O'Donnell on "Biden Won".. Cha May 2023 #4

This is the correct take IMO. GoodRaisin May 2023 #41

Oh, ffs. Scrivener7 May 2023 #7

Warren and AOC as well. BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #13

Doesn't take adults to strip food stamps away from the poor, I understand their concerns yaesu May 2023 #17

Apparently, more people will get SNAP after this deal than before... BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #20

Food stamps weren't stripped from the poor. The CBO scored this an an EXPANSION of SNAP. lapucelle May 2023 #76

+1 betsuni May 2023 #78

TY For Explaining the FACTS to Cha May 2023 #84

The CBO score is public record, as are the details of the proposed changes to SNAP. lapucelle May 2023 #90

Where they always get it ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #137

Twitter inthewind21 Jun 2023 #149

Another reason to like Biden tirebiter May 2023 #14

I think he and Warren would be there if needed mvd May 2023 #18

I agree-- they would do the responsible thing if they had to. BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #21

Yes. If you check his won't-vote-for-it statement, he Hortensis May 2023 #39

Ummm, Biden was COUNTING on some No votes from Progressives Tom Rinaldo Jun 2023 #142

Absolutely. Like Biden finally pointing out to the press Hortensis Jun 2023 #143

Yes indeed, Tom Rinaldo Jun 2023 #151

:) Yes, indeed. In crazy times, your posts are dependable pleasures. Hortensis Jun 2023 #152

He knows it's going to pass. Silent Type May 2023 #19

I think... Mike Nelson May 2023 #23

Bernie and Liz, 2015 is calling, when you had a cause to be the outsider Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2023 #24

I believe Warren actually said she would vote yes. Hortensis May 2023 #34

Why not just keep quiet until the House votes? I don't need more drama, lol Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2023 #42

:) Me neither. That's why I mostly skip it. Hortensis May 2023 #58

I sort of figured that it gets him on the TV. nt doc03 May 2023 #25

lol, really? That's a nonsense take. His vote isn't needed or expected. tritsofme May 2023 #28

+1! Cha May 2023 #43

Exactly. betsuni May 2023 #66

No one is surprised by this vote LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #120

Exactly. Brand building is a full-time job for those characters. Nixie Jun 2023 #169

Moscow Mitch is for the deal, they have the votes. sarcasmo May 2023 #32

I don't see what's the problem here. NotVeryImportant May 2023 #45

His planned NO vote and comments imply Biden failed.. honest.abe May 2023 #52

Lincoln said if people on the left and right are both mad, he probably got it about right. MadameButterfly May 2023 #59

Good grief.. nobody is worried about the primaries. honest.abe May 2023 #65

I disagree. NotVeryImportant May 2023 #80

:) That's just...normal, lifelong Bernie. Hortensis May 2023 #93

Heh. Indeed. betsuni May 2023 #116

Thanks MadameButterfly May 2023 #56

That would be a first for him ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #139

It's fine. I'm sure we have the votes. yardwork May 2023 #49

I'll say what I said on the Elizabeth Warren post. Elessar Zappa May 2023 #55

Bernie is talking to his constituents just like Manchin talks to his. BlueLucy May 2023 #67

Very on point. And beyond Vermont, those who Hortensis May 2023 #105

That's the reason why Democrat Maxwell Frost, the first GEN Z representive in Congress, voted YES. lapucelle Jun 2023 #156

Great! betsuni Jun 2023 #159

So who is Peter Welch talking to? onenote May 2023 #127

I was wondering about that, didn't think it was about constituency. betsuni May 2023 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author onenote May 2023 #128

Democrats want the US to default. newdayneeded May 2023 #74

NO DEMS DON'T want us to Default. Cha May 2023 #89

Again, why say no to the bill newdayneeded May 2023 #106

So he would rather default and have millions lose jobs, COOL krawhitham May 2023 #111

Thank You!! Cha May 2023 #114

It's obvious inthewind21 Jun 2023 #150

JM&J. Just goddamn vote. Joinfortmill May 2023 #131

Of course he won't. ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #138

I see the bingo hall emptied out over "teh Bernie" rage. Lol Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2023 #153

DUers aren't "shut-ins" anymore? We managed to get out of the house to the bingo hall? betsuni Jun 2023 #154

... lapucelle Jun 2023 #157

Angry little cupcake mindlessly running in circles, LOL. betsuni Jun 2023 #166

Some angry cupcakes never get over losses. Nixie Jun 2023 #167

"Looks" like it. aocommunalpunch Jun 2023 #174

This was orchestrated. Many were allowed not to vote for it. Over the years Senator Sanders has Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #160

"good conscience" Give me a break. This is about brand building and pretending Nixie Jun 2023 #171

Imagine voting against the ELIMINATION of ALL SNAP work requirements for veterans, the homeless, lapucelle Jun 2023 #177