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union_maid

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71. Well for one thing...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:35 AM
Nov 2012

We don't know what the bargain will be at the end of the day. Just assuming a doomsday scenario doesn't help anything. Raising the eligibility age for Medicare, however, is not as bad with Obamacare as without it. I say this as a 63 year old person without much left in the way of retirement resources, so this matters a lot to me. In the event that I can't work until I'm 66 or older this will directly affect me, so I'm not making light of it at all. Medicare eligibilty has always been tied to the age at which you can receive full retirement benefits (unless you're on Social Security Disability). Now, as the full benefits age is gradually increasing, the Medicare age is remaining at 65. As it should, but if there absolutely has to be give on this, Obamacare probably makes it a much less catastrophic measure, because subsidies would then be available to you for the interim period. The Kaiser calculator gives you an idea of what that would be.

http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

Now I don't know what part of what bargain the Obama would accept, and neither does the OP. The election may have changed things in our favor, so I'm willing to see what happens, but it's clear to me that Obamacare makes possible changes a lot more palatable. And of course, raising the cap should be on the table along with any other changes to SS/Medicare.

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Why did they ever even touch our retirement? We should have had a lock box RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #1
THe OP's laughable speculation is ridiculous? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #5
Are you sure? PETRUS Nov 2012 #2
We're back to this shit? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #3
Then he could easily say: "No cuts to Social Security and Medicare" limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #9
As I said last time, we shall see what will happen alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #10
Last time the Republicans turned down the cuts, not POTUS, he was the one offering them. Dragonfli Nov 2012 #15
the administration has, people just refuse to listen krawhitham Nov 2012 #19
Biden said "flat" dchill Nov 2012 #29
"tweak" limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #32
You "tweak" the revenue side..... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #37
+a billion limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #40
When did he say that the Medicare eligibility age wouldn't be raised? eridani Nov 2012 #60
Obama in the debates. hay rick Nov 2012 #12
The problem is that all those people making that prediction have no shame. joshcryer Nov 2012 #18
... Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #26
Didn't the President say that he and Romney are in agreement re: Social Security? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #52
Some Democrats are as pissed as the Republicans about "that one" being re-elected, I guess Scootaloo Nov 2012 #55
The only thing we are pissed about is hearing about "austerity" bullshit when we just voted eridani Nov 2012 #61
Get your ears checked, then. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #66
Bad ears is why I haven't heard Obama say no raising Medicare/SocSec age? eridani Nov 2012 #69
I haven't heard him vowing to not nuke Canada, either Scootaloo Nov 2012 #72
AFAIK, Obama put SocSec and Medicare on the table, but not nuking Canada n/t eridani Nov 2012 #73
Don't think that we aren't watching. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #4
And remInd them what happened in 2008 Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #6
That is a no-brainer. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #30
That's the one thing we really don't have to worry about eridani Nov 2012 #62
And that is what happened all the time in the past....death by poverty. Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #68
You betcha. I'm watching closely, and not at all prepared to be quiet. n/t whathehell Nov 2012 #8
I grew up (Only Child) sleeping in a pull out sofa bed HockeyMom Nov 2012 #7
Limpy Limpy Limpy... ReRe Nov 2012 #11
WE all heard about the grand bargain and Simpson/Bowles Dragonfli Nov 2012 #14
Beautiful Dragonfli ReRe Nov 2012 #46
Soc sec is NOT part of the budget, so has nothing to do with the deficit & should be Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #13
good point. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #34
Hey a lot of fat can be trimmed without any trimming benefits krawhitham Nov 2012 #16
SS runs at 1 percent overhead, how much can be cut from that? Dragonfli Nov 2012 #17
THERE WILL BE NO CUTS TO SS AND MEDICARE UNDER OBAMA. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #20
Like Clinton pulled off NAFTA and Welfare "Reform" and the Telecom Act upi402 Nov 2012 #21
Cutting Medicare Should Be Permitted when Adding a Public Option mckara Nov 2012 #22
Sources are appreciated.nt and-justice-for-all Nov 2012 #23
Do you really need to see a URL for the debates? n/t eridani Nov 2012 #63
all I know heaven05 Nov 2012 #24
Since the ACA is saving so much money Rain Mcloud Nov 2012 #25
For curiosity, did you write a polite request to the President about it? Amonester Nov 2012 #27
I called him. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #33
Great then. Call again 7/7 (or email to save $ long-distance). :) Amonester Nov 2012 #35
Wouldn't hurt to contact congress either limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #42
Oh yes! Thousands upon thousands daily emails, phone calls, et al, will make a difference. Amonester Nov 2012 #48
"Polite request"? woo me with science Nov 2012 #39
Yes, I dunno for you but, impolite emails I get die a fast one... Amonester Nov 2012 #49
You, and some of our politicians, seem sorely in need of a reminder woo me with science Nov 2012 #51
"Keeping quiet"????? 99Forever Nov 2012 #28
jeebus herbert christmas are you guys back to this shit already? tjwash Nov 2012 #31
And unnecessary... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #36
+1000000 No justification, no excuse. Period. nt woo me with science Nov 2012 #38
" I don't think we would have ever let George Bush get away with this. " Exactly. dflprincess Nov 2012 #41
Liberals won't keep quiet. mmonk Nov 2012 #43
And it's not *only* liberals. woo me with science Nov 2012 #44
Amazing that most Republicans are to the left of Obama on Social Security. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #54
Isn't it, though. woo me with science Nov 2012 #64
Reid Said It Won't Happen USMCMustang Nov 2012 #45
Sorry, but I disagree democrattotheend Nov 2012 #47
Easy solutions: eliminate all caps (and I don't mean keyboard keys). Amonester Nov 2012 #50
I don't know if that's entirely fair democrattotheend Nov 2012 #67
Simpson-Bowles only cuts the average benefit by 22%. Who will miss that paltry amount? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #53
We have to move the country forward quinnox Nov 2012 #56
kr HiPointDem Nov 2012 #57
when the US Govt has deficit issues as large as we have beachbumbob Nov 2012 #58
Real liberals don't spew right wing talking points eridani Nov 2012 #59
ridiculous. Deficits can be brought under control and needs to be done beachbumbob Nov 2012 #74
So tax the rich already. 91% top marginal rate was good enough for Ike n/t eridani Nov 2012 #75
Where was all this "fiscal discipline" concern allrevvedup Nov 2012 #70
As said above, all he needs to say is theaocp Nov 2012 #65
Well for one thing... union_maid Nov 2012 #71
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