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Hortensis

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13. Might seem so, don't know what notion of "progressive" you're
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 12:13 PM
Jun 2023

using, but studies (REAL ones) show the LIBERAL-DOMINATED Democratic Party is ideologically where it was long before then. Liberals have proven overall very stable in ideology and principle, and it'd be very difficult to find a liberal Democrat who does not believe in progressive use of government. Only application varies depending on current situations and what is possible to accomplish.

Our goal for poverty, for instance, has aways been to use progressive government actions, involving both public and private resources, to eliminate it as much as possible by every workable means, including livable wages, home ownership programs, helping those who can work become self sufficient and even prosperous through various means, and support those who cannot sustain themselves. Etcetera and so on and so on.

In just about the period you mention, for just one instance, Democrats have moved Medicaid and other aid requirements increasingly away from the listed disabilities approach that has been the norm for hundreds of years to a simple income-based qualification.

In the 1980s-90s, though, when the nation, including many who'd voted Democratic, swung conservative, we attempted to save aid programs from RW annihilation by hybrid changes to them, such more focus on aid-to-sustainability pathways via training and work programs. In this century the appeal of Republican focus on the negative "weeding out the undeserving mooching off good people" approach dwindled again as the rates of people living in poverty rose, and Democrats resumed our long trend to providing readily-available aid based on income level and other needs.

People may not remember it, but by the time we passed the ACA in 2010, we'd returned to our goal of a simple income-based qualification for programs like Medicaid, which it initially required be made available nationally to all low-income people to buy health insurance.

Unfortunately, in this century, conservatism has gone mostly extreme (moderate conservatism mostly purged), and we're fighting to save all federal aid programs from complete elimination via the hostile far-right SCOTUS supermajority and state attacks. And of course, while they still exist, we're fighting restoration of bureaucratic roadblocks and limitations on safety net programs.

Speaking for myself, I'd take a bunch of temporary steps back if it would relieve the RW pressure to destroy our democracy. But that's a situational change, not ideological. MY liberal ideals and belief in use of progressive government to achieve them haven't changed in 60 years, and I'm pretty typical of the Democratic type.

Nor has my commitment to the representative government of, by and for the people that makes it possible. If that goes, all we do with it for ourselves and others goes too.

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Joe Biden is progressive, but [View all] edhopper Jun 2023 OP
He has always been a liberal, but he has always been practical Walleye Jun 2023 #1
I think a lot of people confuse practical (or pragmatic) with moderate AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2023 #2
His first year was damned progressive. gab13by13 Jun 2023 #25
Agreed (Wow!) AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2023 #27
There is truth to that. At the same time, many people are simply discouraged and frustrated KPN Jun 2023 #32
I don't disagree edhopper Jun 2023 #37
THIS inthewind21 Jun 2023 #58
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2023 #43
I think he has done things more progressive than I expected him to do. Claustrum Jun 2023 #3
Bannon is no longer safe from the law Abigail233333 Jun 2023 #4
Are you confusing Bannon with Biden edhopper Jun 2023 #7
I think option number 2 UpInArms Jun 2023 #10
I believe we have a return frequent visitor. niyad Jun 2023 #35
Welcome to DU, Abigail233333 UpInArms Jun 2023 #12
Enjoy your stay Hekate Jun 2023 #15
Welcome to DU! Elessar Zappa Jun 2023 #19
Welcome to DU, ignore the naysayers. flying_wahini Jun 2023 #22
Except that it is copied word-for-word from a 12/21/21 article at FSogol Jun 2023 #30
In that case, it is a clear violation of both our TOS and copyright law Hekate Jun 2023 #68
It is quite possible that the naysayers know whereof they speak. niyad Jun 2023 #52
What flavour pizza do you like? niyad Jun 2023 #34
Let me guess. intheflow Jun 2023 #70
Didn't you get a link at the library? All I find is reddit. marble falls Jun 2023 #69
I keep trying to explain this to a lot of my (younger) left-wing friends Mad_Machine76 Jun 2023 #5
Apparently they didn't learn anything in high school on how the goverment works. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #18
My 26 year old great nephew is the same. Mickju Jun 2023 #20
Same people who cry edhopper Jun 2023 #21
Biden should fix everything. That's what I would do! FSogol Jun 2023 #31
No shit. 2naSalit Jun 2023 #41
To This Degree, Ma'am, Your Young Friends Have A Point The Magistrate Jun 2023 #45
I have mixed feelings about that Mad_Machine76 Jun 2023 #48
It Is A Gamble, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2023 #50
You should probably have. More knowledgeable 'friends'. Teach them how to. Count votes. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #59
I try to educate when I can Mad_Machine76 Jun 2023 #63
Getting things done/passed is "progressive." Silent Type Jun 2023 #6
So Republicans that get things passed are progressive? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2023 #16
Getting things done is "progressive." Not getting anything, is not progressive, no matter how Silent Type Jun 2023 #24
So you are saying that Obama didn't get anything done AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2023 #29
Read what I wrote. Obama is my favorite Prez of all time. Biden gets things done and is progressive. Silent Type Jun 2023 #46
So you don't think Obama was progressive AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2023 #47
As someone who is just passing by and not involved in this discussion XorXor Jun 2023 #64
It was Obama's opinion edhopper Jun 2023 #38
Seems to be some confusion about usage of the word progressive Autumn Jun 2023 #60
Progressive and Progress are two different things. progressoid Jun 2023 #49
I think of it like this exchange in Lincoln ITAL Jun 2023 #8
I think today's progressive would probably be considered a moderate in the 60's early 70's. walkingman Jun 2023 #9
Might seem so, don't know what notion of "progressive" you're Hortensis Jun 2023 #13
It's a myth the Democratic Party has moved to the Right in the last 50 years. Zero evidence of this. betsuni Jun 2023 #54
I think Clinton's approval of NAFTA was a definite move to the right by Dems walkingman Jun 2023 #55
If things don't change for the better Progressive dog Jun 2023 #11
Should Dems start mitigating expectations aocommunalpunch Jun 2023 #14
He's a liberal, but I don't see him as a progressive. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2023 #17
When they say that about unicorns and rainbows edhopper Jun 2023 #23
You are wrong. Biden saved us from debt ceiling default with a very clever deal. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #61
Sure. That debt deal doesn't make him a progressive. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2023 #67
This is true of many Democrats. LisaM Jun 2023 #26
+ 1. I think a good many (so called) moderates stopdiggin Jun 2023 #36
Exactly right. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #62
This discussion that basically pits progressives v moderates gab13by13 Jun 2023 #28
+++ KPN Jun 2023 #33
You are wrong edhopper Jun 2023 #39
I went back and reread the OP stopdiggin Jun 2023 #40
Thanks edhopper Jun 2023 #42
The reason I choose to be a Democrat and have always been one is walkingman Jun 2023 #44
I agree. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #51
Those few big bills were bigger in real dollars than the New Deal IbogaProject Jun 2023 #53
That is edhopper Jun 2023 #56
I have to admit I was a reluctant Biden supporter IbogaProject Jun 2023 #66
Indeed. He has done amazing things given the situation. honest.abe Jun 2023 #57
I'm not seeing how Biden is for universal healthcare, tbh. area51 Jun 2023 #65
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