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NoPasaran

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70. 1848? Really?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:17 AM
Nov 2012

The Springtime of Nations, which was over by 1849? The result: the old despots almost everywhere still in power, thousands of revolutionaries dead in battle, executed, imprisoned, or in exile. But a couple of those soon-to-be exiles wrote a famous pamphlet, so I guess it was all worth it somehow.

About the only place where the old monarch didn't hang on was France, where the Second Republic emerged and quickly repressed the crowds in the streets. But they weren't able to repress the rise of Louis Bonaparte, who within a few years followed his famous uncle and founded his own tyranny, the Second Empire. (Marx put his prolific pen to that subject as well.) And the downfall of Napoleon III leads us to the next stop on the Roll of Glorious Defeats, the Paris Commune. Several weeks of a beacon of liberty, equality, fraternity; followed by firing squads for all those not quick enough to evade the bloody clutches of Thiers.

On the other hand, we have the great Sit-Down Strike of 1937, the Civil Rights Movement, the foundation of the Populist Party. Not as huge a bodycount as the European examples, perhaps not quite as profound in shaking the relationship between Man and Capital. But each of them empowering, achieving actual goals. Goals which may have fallen short of a totally revolutionary transformation of society, but real achievements none the less. More real than just another glorious sanguinary chapter for the history books.

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has it failed? hollysmom Nov 2012 #1
I'm afraid we must accept the words exactly as written. How could they possibly be incorrect? Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #13
Richer, whiter, much better educated SocraticGadfly Nov 2012 #47
Oh, on the lack of organization? And leaderless? SocraticGadfly Nov 2012 #48
Little too early to say Occupy failed--the newest stuff, like debt collection and msanthrope Nov 2012 #2
I agree with this... one_voice Nov 2012 #18
Bookmarked for later. LOL@OWS, what a farce. sagat Nov 2012 #3
There is a farce here, and it isn't Occupy. Enjoy your stay. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #14
Geez, before OWS all I remember hearing was 'austerity this' and coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #57
Yes, that was Occupy's biggest success, imo deutsey Nov 2012 #73
I started reading this RainDog Nov 2012 #4
Horseshit written for simple people. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #5
What a bunch of simplistic utter crap. Take it to Freeperville! MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #6
People speaking truth to power don't fail as long as they keep speaking it. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #7
You might actually read Thomas Frank's review to find out how Occupy is like the Tea Party. salvorhardin Nov 2012 #20
Psssst: Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #22
No thanks. Not watching 2016 either. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #87
Occupy hasn't failed... period. They are winning step by step. defacto7 Nov 2012 #8
The link doesn't open for me which is a shame because I could use some belly laughs Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #9
Uhm, yeah... blogslut Nov 2012 #10
LOLOLOL WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #19
Tell me Mr. Frank and I usually respect you nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #11
THIS Occupy?? kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #12
The answer is no. Such an accusation cannot be. mmonk Nov 2012 #62
What a load of garbage. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #15
And the disinformation campaign begins. Cleita Nov 2012 #16
Huge DUrec!!...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #17
Yeah, and Astroturf is the Same as Real Grass AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #21
It is! It is! He can prove it! Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #23
You honestly think Thomas Frank is engaging in astroturfing? salvorhardin Nov 2012 #25
No, but the Teabaggers Certainly Were AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #33
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #24
It most definitely had a subliminal/unconscious effect. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #26
What a bunch of BS. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #27
By my count this is 798th proclamation of Occupy's demise. Strangely, they don't seem to have TV's Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #28
Occupy was there Autumn Nov 2012 #29
He simply doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. byeya Nov 2012 #30
"..it's had for someone lazy and who wants to pontificate not to make an ass of himself." salvorhardin Nov 2012 #31
You'll have a MUCH better discussion if you try not to insult your opponents. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #41
Exactly! salvorhardin Nov 2012 #45
Whooooooossshhhhh. Sound of my post flying over your head at 100,000 feet. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #53
It failed to be the counter to the Tea Party because the tea party was taken over by jp11 Nov 2012 #32
"OWS can still be more than the tea party IMO if it works on getting progressives elected where they Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #35
Well okay then. jp11 Nov 2012 #36
Please remember that most of the worst police brutality against Occupy was done by Democratic mayors Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #42
How very inconvenient for you to bring that up. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #59
An inconvenient truth. Occupiers are still being beaten and arrested and harassed by police across Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #60
That can't possibly be true because, as the OP indicates, Occupy has failed and is dead. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #79
:) Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #80
+1 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #86
That was quite possibly one of JoeyT Nov 2012 #34
It's unfair to compare OWS to the tea party. One is a real movement, the other is corporate funded DireStrike Nov 2012 #37
Horse Shit Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #38
Hmmm...OWS NYC just Tweeted this... Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #39
Yes. Justice, not charity. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #43
+1000! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #72
I don't recall reading about any of the Tea Nazis volunteering to help the victims of Sandy. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #40
I was a fan of OWS when it was beginning... but it never evolved to my liking... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #44
What is a movement? tama Nov 2012 #81
Indeed. CanSocDem Nov 2012 #46
LOL! Thomas Frank used to write a column for THE WALL ST. JOURNAL. Zorra Nov 2012 #49
Ruh-roh! Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #54
and yet we all talk about the 99% and the 1% as if it has always been a part of political dialogue RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #50
Seems to me that Occupy Sandy is getting national coverage. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #51
LOL Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #52
I know of and hear from OWS... 99Forever Nov 2012 #55
Or it could be titled "Clueless Guy No One Has Heard Of With A Worthless Opinion" Matariki Nov 2012 #56
No one has ever heard of Thomas Frank? NoPasaran Nov 2012 #71
I think it is the final 3 paragraphs with which i take issue: coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #58
They seem less relevant to the present USA, and you'd have to question their success muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #68
OK, please explain to me what "Mississippi in the fifties" has to do coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #74
muriel_volestrangler is right salvorhardin Nov 2012 #69
I like and deeply respect Thomas Frank and this article has definitely coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #75
Theory? tama Nov 2012 #82
1848? Really? NoPasaran Nov 2012 #70
1848 scared the shit out of the ruling elite, just as OWS scared the shit out of the 1% parasites. I coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #76
Well there's 5 minutes of my time I'll never get back. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #61
Narcissism will destroy the "centrists" or corporatists. mmonk Nov 2012 #63
loads of lulz KG Nov 2012 #64
President Obama aandegoons Nov 2012 #65
The anger that permeates some of these posts is very much like the Tea Party anger. randome Nov 2012 #66
Hilarious! Who writes this stuff? Zorra Nov 2012 #77
When was OWS ever a movement against state power? 6000eliot Nov 2012 #67
It has been anarchist initiative from the beginning tama Nov 2012 #83
OWS is like the Tea Party? Oilwellian Nov 2012 #78
Until Tea Partiers face excessive police brutality and are no longer corporately-funded, Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #84
Ocuppy wasn't as successful as the Tea Party Mr.Turnip Nov 2012 #85
The tealiban are funded by the Koch brothers. Occupy is a populist movement. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #88
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