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mwooldri

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180. Na, there's a 4th way.

Reply to woo me with science (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:26 PM

Nov 2012

Swing to the left. Stay there. There needs to be an anti-Tea Party hardcore in the Democratic Party which is diametrically opposed to the Tea Party, just because they support something.

Sadly, there is no such thing as a hard left Democratic core. It's all mushy.

A good ol' fashioned swing to the left IMO will force the Tea Partiers' hand. I distinctly remembering a former President stating that after an election that he had earned political capital, and that he intends to spend it. President Obama has that political capital. I think he needs to spend it to get the right thing going. Even if it means driving off the so-called fiscal cliff and blame it entirely on House Republicans, especially when the Senate has a proposal ready to go.

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Reject Third Way propaganda, *especially* now. [View all] woo me with science Nov 2012 OP

You're absolutely right. The People have spoken and now we will be ignored. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #1

Sticking this here because we all need to be contacting Boehner's office regularly. Maraya1969 Nov 2012 #134

Thank you, thank you, thank you. woo me with science Nov 2012 #138

Glad to help, but how sad it is that we are now reduced to begging republicans Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #160

K&R Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #2

One only needs to look at the budget put together by the Progressive Caucus jp11 Nov 2012 #3

Rec #5 checking in. nt PETRUS Nov 2012 #4

Just wait, if the grand bargain does happen, watch the cheerleading for quinnox Nov 2012 #5

sigh InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #14

... BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #26

I am just waiting for the usual names to appear and tell us they hate us. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #44

I've been hearing this shit for four years Scootaloo Nov 2012 #109

Did you miss Paul Ryan's words about Medicare and Social Security? BTW, who is "he"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #165

Paul Ryan is for real. It is the "If" statements that are tiresome bullshit. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #205

Someone named "Emulatorloo" is agreeing with me? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #212

Lol emulatorloo Nov 2012 #220

And if it doesn't happen, will the other "usual suspects" admit they were wrong?... SidDithers Nov 2012 #110

True to their habit BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #121

+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2012 #145

If we don't increase tax RATES on the rich now, it will be YEARS before we get another chance. reformist2 Nov 2012 #6

Huge mandate for increasing taxes on wealthy.. Boehner and McConnell have 0 leverage emulatorloo Nov 2012 #66

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #92

No need to increase rates AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #131

Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire is not NEAR enough. bvar22 Nov 2012 #181

Rec. N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2012 #189

I agree completely AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #200

You are absolutely right! We simply must get this piece of economic justice in place to move CTyankee Nov 2012 #225

Job one. nt hay rick Nov 2012 #191

DURec leftstreet Nov 2012 #7

One thing we learned from Clinton was that the good you get from thrid way compromises is gone once craigmatic Nov 2012 #8

It sure didn't take long for the rhetoric to begin Oilwellian Nov 2012 #9

yes. radical is radical even if it is on DU. these people arent helping anything either pasto76 Nov 2012 #21

We have BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #28

true dat pasto76 Nov 2012 #64

And there is that false information about the 2010 election once again. Progressive Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #167

It wasn't members of the Progressive Caucus who were defeated for the most part in 2010. Instead, coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #175

Yes, Progressives voted for Progressives and kept them in Congress. Only two lost, Grayson and sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #216

"The Left caused the losses in 2010" has been debunked many times at DU. bvar22 Nov 2012 #177

Compromise is inevitable. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #50

tell me, an iraq war vet, on veterans day, about fighting for ideals pasto76 Nov 2012 #65

When Telling the Truth "undermines the President", bvar22 Nov 2012 #183

What does social security have to do with the debt? me b zola Nov 2012 #222

Please stop apologizing for republicans argiel1234 Nov 2012 #84

CORRECT Skittles Nov 2012 #123

But you do compromise with politicians. sibelian Nov 2012 #126

Let me get this straight... Fumesucker Nov 2012 #128

how about repukes giving up something? Skittles Nov 2012 #130

Why do they need to? theaocp Nov 2012 #174

well I felt that way before the election Skittles Nov 2012 #210

We just won by a landslide so the path is clear, my friends. woo me with science Nov 2012 #139

Including those on DU. ;-) WinkyDink Nov 2012 #152

"Not all right wing politicians are rabid dogs." Now see, there's your mistake. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #151

I'm willing to work with ALL the Republicans... bvar22 Nov 2012 #184

You don't compromise if you don't have to. Marr Nov 2012 #95

Get a grip. Did you yell about "COMPROMISE" from 2001--2008? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #149

What is the "DU Radical" equivalent of Paul Ryan re: Social Security and Medicare? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #168

Rhetoric: noun The ability to use language effectively. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #196

are the 2012 winners going to sell out again? nt msongs Nov 2012 #10

Wont see of them in this thread. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #11

They are indeed busy churning out propoganda for right wing solutions. Dragonfli Nov 2012 #12

Excellent, excellent post. woo me with science Nov 2012 #13

You're right, Woo. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #52

I almost can't read this stuff because theaocp Nov 2012 #15

Great post Progressive dog Nov 2012 #49

^^^^DO NOT MISS THE ABOVE POST^^^^ woo me with science Nov 2012 #54

Thanks for emphasizing that post. nt bananas Nov 2012 #132

Thank you. It's important, and I still think it should be an OP. woo me with science Nov 2012 #140

Wow, the Third Way are already mapping their plant to privatize SS. And I just read today sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #187

Thank you, Dragonfli. Great post! Facts. Truth. Proof. Links. Zorra Nov 2012 #201

Agreed jsr Nov 2012 #16

The midterm debacle of 2010 was a freakin' pillow fight... 99Forever Nov 2012 #17

Yeah . . . that'll show 'em! BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #29

So which way do you want it? 99Forever Nov 2012 #33

So it's your way or the high way? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #125

Make shit up much? 99Forever Nov 2012 #135

So we pass a Republican Plan to "get something done"? bvar22 Nov 2012 #101

COMPROMISE. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #129

What utter tripe. America is aligned with NO cuts to Social Security and Medicare eridani Nov 2012 #133

It's impossible to caricature this. woo me with science Nov 2012 #137

Let's be real clear here, Woowoo, BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #194

Ah, now the namecalling and dark insinuations of disloyalty woo me with science Nov 2012 #208

Wow. Name calling and characterizations of 'most minorities' as conservative? Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #161

California is a perfect example of how socially conservative minorities are. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #199

I'm willing to COMPROMISE with Every Republican ... bvar22 Nov 2012 #188

What? I thought Purists HATED Obamacare. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #197

Ducking the issue and hiding? bvar22 Nov 2012 #207

I think you got it backwards. Purists love the privatization of everything, HC, Education, sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #215

Those are the TeaPublicans. Yeah, they're Purists, too. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #221

You mean real Democrats who support real Democrats in Congress, like DK who is hated by the sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #224

K & R Liberal_Dog Nov 2012 #18

Indeed. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #19

I recommended it cause I'm a damn good person Autumn Nov 2012 #22

The election is over. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #25

Here's an idea . . . how about holding the Republicans accountable? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #30

I believe you already have that covered. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #37

Naw. I'm not a fair-weather Democrat. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #48

I didn't vote for Nader. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #60

Why BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #122

Yes, that is what we are talking about. Holding Republicans accountable, and we start that sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #90

There are still 80+ Teabaggers in the House AFTER the election BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #96

It's never self defeating to let elected officials know what the people want. I agree re sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #105

Perfectly said about our power. In fact, there's your "tell"....just like in poker. woo me with science Nov 2012 #158

Yes we can. After I voted I sent Obama a letter Autumn Nov 2012 #40

You voted for PRESIDENT Obama? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #45

Yes I did vote for Obama, twice, not that it's any of your business Autumn Nov 2012 #51

When I brought something up like that "none of your business" crap BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #114

Obama got my support, those of us on the left will never be satisfied Autumn Nov 2012 #118

Yes, he needs our support to stop Republican policies from being implemented, he needs sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #164

Hear, hear! woo me with science Nov 2012 #141

I rec'd it even though it's a typical caricature call out thread. joshcryer Nov 2012 #36

No more or less than UNreccing makes me one. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #46

How sad that you can no longer dogpile a thread and unrec it to China. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #53

K & R dchill Nov 2012 #20

I don't recall the Shrub era repubs promoting bipartisanship Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2012 #23

"We don't hold the House" is propaganda? great white snark Nov 2012 #24

They think the obstructionist Republicans will work with the President. joshcryer Nov 2012 #34

We know the republicans won't work with Obama. Autumn Nov 2012 #41

I agree. joshcryer Nov 2012 #42

I don't think so. I have republicans in my family Autumn Nov 2012 #58

There's so much conciliation from the WH theaocp Nov 2012 #70

If your personal experience reflected the reality Obama would've got back the House. joshcryer Nov 2012 #99

I can't tell you how many times woo me with science Nov 2012 #142

Exactly, the people want fighters, not compromisers. Same experience here, even with sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #170

It's propaganda to continue to use excuses every time we win. Republicans lost eight seats in the sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #217

I suspect that this is about big corporation's just don't want to compete with governments HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #27

Invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment. joshcryer Nov 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #163

And the Obama and Democratic Party bashing begins . . . BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #32

You know how that can be headed off? 99Forever Nov 2012 #35

And the liberal bashing begins... UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #39

Yes. Just like the lead up to 2010. I favor repeal of the Bush tax cuts and taking the country bluestate10 Nov 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2012 #63

I agree wholeheartedly. But they don't take responsibility BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #94

They remain gleeful that we didn't get the House back. joshcryer Nov 2012 #100

Alas, the Democratic Party is now run by 3rd Way "moderates" and the bashing is deserved. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #57

Apparently some of your... one_voice Nov 2012 #80

Squad? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #113

What? one_voice Nov 2012 #116

Squad? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #124

And? What? one_voice Nov 2012 #156

Then nominate progressives and win primaries in 2014 House and Senate races Telly Savalas Nov 2012 #83

I've never claimed that "progressives have the numbers". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #85

This response ignores political reality and the restructuring of our elections process. woo me with science Nov 2012 #154

Hear, hear! Excellent quote, one of my favorites. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #107

And the Liberal bashing continues! Although I think it is diminishing as more and more sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #76

Brace yourself, for if Obama agrees to cuts/slashes to SS and Medicare... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #86

Yeah. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #115

K & R Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #169

I think it's going to be much less likely now. JoeyT Nov 2012 #43

SCREW THE DEFICIT. A budget is a moral document, and there are more than one kind of debt. freshwest Nov 2012 #47

What a wonderful post. I am so thankful for this thread as Autumn Nov 2012 #78

I paragraphed the rant but don't expect positive response, thanks for yours. freshwest Nov 2012 #82

Superlative post. Yes, these are MORAL choices. woo me with science Nov 2012 #155

The biggest The Wizard Nov 2012 #55

Du rec. Nt xchrom Nov 2012 #59

Hear Hear!!! ReRe Nov 2012 #61

I see you have found another conspiracy theory. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #62

You can't 'sew division' when you are speaking for the majority! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #71

He claims hoards of DU members are "third way." And that is BULL-FUCKING-SHIt emulatorloo Nov 2012 #203

Speaking of strawmen... progressoid Nov 2012 #213

Um.... Bobbie Jo Nov 2012 #209

Seems to me inferring that a long time DUer is a troll Puglover Nov 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #171

Q:Where are the hoards of third way DU members OP claims exists? emulatorloo Nov 2012 #202

Well then respectfully you're letting yourself be divided. Puglover Nov 2012 #211

There is not going to be a Grand Bargain. And every DUer wants the safety net preserved. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #219

I hope you're right. Puglover Nov 2012 #223

Woo is neither a Republican troll nor a conspiracy theorist. eom progressoid Nov 2012 #106

Then why is he lying about DU membership? emulatorloo Nov 2012 #204

You want to run that Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #144

K&R Solly Mack Nov 2012 #67

They started a Meta thread in your honor. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #68

That just cracks me up. Puglover Nov 2012 #72

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #74

don't hurt yourself cracking up... one_voice Nov 2012 #81

This post was alerted on. The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand. ohiosmith Nov 2012 #195

Gee, I wonder who did that? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #206

It's no propaganda that this administration is not that good at negotiations liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #69

Excellent post, thank you. No, we did not vote for 'compromise' with the most extreme sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #73

Imagine how the Republicans would behave with this kind of landslide RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #75

K&R me b zola Nov 2012 #79

I'll tell you what Americans want.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #87

Damn, another perfect post. Autumn Nov 2012 #93

Well, you certainly brought the whining DINOs out with this one. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #88

I've always rejected it, LWolf Nov 2012 #89

K&R amborin Nov 2012 #91

I just don't understand why any real Democrat wouldn't reject it.... forestpath Nov 2012 #97

Purist! WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #117

Purist and proud! forestpath Nov 2012 #193

DURec Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #98

rk PufPuf23 Nov 2012 #102

Fuckin' A! TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #103

KNR DirkGently Nov 2012 #104

3rd way "drums beating to privatize social security: amborin Nov 2012 #108

Isn't it great ProSense Nov 2012 #111

+ 1,000,000,000. They are on full force attack with their bullshit propaganda right now. Zorra Nov 2012 #112

ps: an article suggests 3d way Dems are losing Wall St; it is turning against them; so they may amborin Nov 2012 #119

...if only we had a super majority, then we wouldn't have to capitulate so early on... whirlygigspin Nov 2012 #120

Agree with everything. I think it says something laundry_queen Nov 2012 #127

Excellent post and thank you Lifelong Protester Nov 2012 #136

also reject the candidate(s) they are trying to shove down our throats for 2016 n/t antigop Nov 2012 #143

AMEN to you, science! K&R closeupready Nov 2012 #146

Nobody forced the people to vote for a Republican House of Representatives. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #147

No. ^^This^^ No. Zorra Nov 2012 #159

The people threw out at least 8 Republicans. We have now seriously diminished their sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #173

OK, that's all wonderful. But it's still a Republican controlled House. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #176

Yes, option one if it means saving SS, Medicare, ending any remaining Bush policies sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #182

I pick Option One, bvar22 Nov 2012 #190

If you want a Democrat Controlled House, try THIS for a change: bvar22 Nov 2012 #226

I thought the rethug gerrymandering kinda DID force the people to vote for a rethug House of Reps. caveat_imperator Nov 2012 #179

Yes, it absolutely did. These arguments... woo me with science Nov 2012 #192

+1, they did historical levels of gerrymandering. We actually got more votes. joshcryer Nov 2012 #218

I pine for the days when Democrats were Democrats, and told Republicans to go to Hell! No, this is WinkyDink Nov 2012 #148

That may make you feel good, but given a Republican House of Representatives, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #150

I'm a Democrat. Perhaps that is the difference between us? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #153

OK, gotcha. Sure. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #172

A Republican House that is now minus 8 seats they once held sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #157

I just wanna say, woo me with science Nov 2012 #162

Well said. aandegoons Nov 2012 #166

Emphatic K&R - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #178

Na, there's a 4th way. mwooldri Nov 2012 #180

kick. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #185

Sorry, but Obama already compromised nolabels Nov 2012 #198

K&R... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #214

kick Zorra Nov 2012 #228