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bvar22

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181. Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire is not NEAR enough.

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:27 PM

Nov 2012

We need to go back to the tax structure of the 50s /60s.

Republican President Dwight Eisenhower said that it was the Patriotic Duty of The RICH and War Profiteers to help pay down The Debt from WW2,
and set the top bracket at 90%!.

After the War Debt was paid off, JFK lowered the rate on the top bracket to 71% and Capital Gains at 25%!.

America prospered, built the Largest, Wealthiest, and Most Upwardly Mobile Working Class the World had ever seen,
and people STILL got RICH!

It seems kinda stupid to be fighting for just a meager 3.5% tax increase on the Wealthiest Americans.
In reality, we are fighting FOR extremely LOW taxes on the RICHEST Americans, and will celebrate a VICTORY if we get these historically low rates!

MAN are "they" good a framing the debate.

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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Reject Third Way propaganda, *especially* now. [View all] woo me with science Nov 2012 OP

You're absolutely right. The People have spoken and now we will be ignored. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #1

Sticking this here because we all need to be contacting Boehner's office regularly. Maraya1969 Nov 2012 #134

Thank you, thank you, thank you. woo me with science Nov 2012 #138

Glad to help, but how sad it is that we are now reduced to begging republicans Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #160

K&R Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #2

One only needs to look at the budget put together by the Progressive Caucus jp11 Nov 2012 #3

Rec #5 checking in. nt PETRUS Nov 2012 #4

Just wait, if the grand bargain does happen, watch the cheerleading for quinnox Nov 2012 #5

sigh InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #14

... BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #26

I am just waiting for the usual names to appear and tell us they hate us. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #44

I've been hearing this shit for four years Scootaloo Nov 2012 #109

Did you miss Paul Ryan's words about Medicare and Social Security? BTW, who is "he"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #165

Paul Ryan is for real. It is the "If" statements that are tiresome bullshit. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #205

Someone named "Emulatorloo" is agreeing with me? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #212

Lol emulatorloo Nov 2012 #220

And if it doesn't happen, will the other "usual suspects" admit they were wrong?... SidDithers Nov 2012 #110

True to their habit BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #121

+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2012 #145

If we don't increase tax RATES on the rich now, it will be YEARS before we get another chance. reformist2 Nov 2012 #6

Huge mandate for increasing taxes on wealthy.. Boehner and McConnell have 0 leverage emulatorloo Nov 2012 #66

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #92

No need to increase rates AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #131

Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire is not NEAR enough. bvar22 Nov 2012 #181

Rec. N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2012 #189

I agree completely AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #200

You are absolutely right! We simply must get this piece of economic justice in place to move CTyankee Nov 2012 #225

Job one. nt hay rick Nov 2012 #191

DURec leftstreet Nov 2012 #7

One thing we learned from Clinton was that the good you get from thrid way compromises is gone once craigmatic Nov 2012 #8

It sure didn't take long for the rhetoric to begin Oilwellian Nov 2012 #9

yes. radical is radical even if it is on DU. these people arent helping anything either pasto76 Nov 2012 #21

We have BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #28

true dat pasto76 Nov 2012 #64

And there is that false information about the 2010 election once again. Progressive Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #167

It wasn't members of the Progressive Caucus who were defeated for the most part in 2010. Instead, coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #175

Yes, Progressives voted for Progressives and kept them in Congress. Only two lost, Grayson and sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #216

"The Left caused the losses in 2010" has been debunked many times at DU. bvar22 Nov 2012 #177

Compromise is inevitable. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #50

tell me, an iraq war vet, on veterans day, about fighting for ideals pasto76 Nov 2012 #65

When Telling the Truth "undermines the President", bvar22 Nov 2012 #183

What does social security have to do with the debt? me b zola Nov 2012 #222

Please stop apologizing for republicans argiel1234 Nov 2012 #84

CORRECT Skittles Nov 2012 #123

But you do compromise with politicians. sibelian Nov 2012 #126

Let me get this straight... Fumesucker Nov 2012 #128

how about repukes giving up something? Skittles Nov 2012 #130

Why do they need to? theaocp Nov 2012 #174

well I felt that way before the election Skittles Nov 2012 #210

We just won by a landslide so the path is clear, my friends. woo me with science Nov 2012 #139

Including those on DU. ;-) WinkyDink Nov 2012 #152

"Not all right wing politicians are rabid dogs." Now see, there's your mistake. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #151

I'm willing to work with ALL the Republicans... bvar22 Nov 2012 #184

You don't compromise if you don't have to. Marr Nov 2012 #95

Get a grip. Did you yell about "COMPROMISE" from 2001--2008? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #149

What is the "DU Radical" equivalent of Paul Ryan re: Social Security and Medicare? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #168

Rhetoric: noun The ability to use language effectively. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #196

are the 2012 winners going to sell out again? nt msongs Nov 2012 #10

Wont see of them in this thread. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #11

They are indeed busy churning out propoganda for right wing solutions. Dragonfli Nov 2012 #12

Excellent, excellent post. woo me with science Nov 2012 #13

You're right, Woo. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #52

I almost can't read this stuff because theaocp Nov 2012 #15

Great post Progressive dog Nov 2012 #49

^^^^DO NOT MISS THE ABOVE POST^^^^ woo me with science Nov 2012 #54

Thanks for emphasizing that post. nt bananas Nov 2012 #132

Thank you. It's important, and I still think it should be an OP. woo me with science Nov 2012 #140

Wow, the Third Way are already mapping their plant to privatize SS. And I just read today sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #187

Thank you, Dragonfli. Great post! Facts. Truth. Proof. Links. Zorra Nov 2012 #201

Agreed jsr Nov 2012 #16

The midterm debacle of 2010 was a freakin' pillow fight... 99Forever Nov 2012 #17

Yeah . . . that'll show 'em! BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #29

So which way do you want it? 99Forever Nov 2012 #33

So it's your way or the high way? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #125

Make shit up much? 99Forever Nov 2012 #135

So we pass a Republican Plan to "get something done"? bvar22 Nov 2012 #101

COMPROMISE. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #129

What utter tripe. America is aligned with NO cuts to Social Security and Medicare eridani Nov 2012 #133

It's impossible to caricature this. woo me with science Nov 2012 #137

Let's be real clear here, Woowoo, BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #194

Ah, now the namecalling and dark insinuations of disloyalty woo me with science Nov 2012 #208

Wow. Name calling and characterizations of 'most minorities' as conservative? Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #161

California is a perfect example of how socially conservative minorities are. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #199

I'm willing to COMPROMISE with Every Republican ... bvar22 Nov 2012 #188

What? I thought Purists HATED Obamacare. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #197

Ducking the issue and hiding? bvar22 Nov 2012 #207

I think you got it backwards. Purists love the privatization of everything, HC, Education, sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #215

Those are the TeaPublicans. Yeah, they're Purists, too. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #221

You mean real Democrats who support real Democrats in Congress, like DK who is hated by the sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #224

K & R Liberal_Dog Nov 2012 #18

Indeed. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #19

I recommended it cause I'm a damn good person Autumn Nov 2012 #22

The election is over. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #25

Here's an idea . . . how about holding the Republicans accountable? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #30

I believe you already have that covered. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #37

Naw. I'm not a fair-weather Democrat. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #48

I didn't vote for Nader. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #60

Why BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #122

Yes, that is what we are talking about. Holding Republicans accountable, and we start that sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #90

There are still 80+ Teabaggers in the House AFTER the election BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #96

It's never self defeating to let elected officials know what the people want. I agree re sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #105

Perfectly said about our power. In fact, there's your "tell"....just like in poker. woo me with science Nov 2012 #158

Yes we can. After I voted I sent Obama a letter Autumn Nov 2012 #40

You voted for PRESIDENT Obama? BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #45

Yes I did vote for Obama, twice, not that it's any of your business Autumn Nov 2012 #51

When I brought something up like that "none of your business" crap BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #114

Obama got my support, those of us on the left will never be satisfied Autumn Nov 2012 #118

Yes, he needs our support to stop Republican policies from being implemented, he needs sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #164

Hear, hear! woo me with science Nov 2012 #141

I rec'd it even though it's a typical caricature call out thread. joshcryer Nov 2012 #36

No more or less than UNreccing makes me one. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #46

How sad that you can no longer dogpile a thread and unrec it to China. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #53

K & R dchill Nov 2012 #20

I don't recall the Shrub era repubs promoting bipartisanship Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2012 #23

"We don't hold the House" is propaganda? great white snark Nov 2012 #24

They think the obstructionist Republicans will work with the President. joshcryer Nov 2012 #34

We know the republicans won't work with Obama. Autumn Nov 2012 #41

I agree. joshcryer Nov 2012 #42

I don't think so. I have republicans in my family Autumn Nov 2012 #58

There's so much conciliation from the WH theaocp Nov 2012 #70

If your personal experience reflected the reality Obama would've got back the House. joshcryer Nov 2012 #99

I can't tell you how many times woo me with science Nov 2012 #142

Exactly, the people want fighters, not compromisers. Same experience here, even with sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #170

It's propaganda to continue to use excuses every time we win. Republicans lost eight seats in the sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #217

I suspect that this is about big corporation's just don't want to compete with governments HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #27

Invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment. joshcryer Nov 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #163

And the Obama and Democratic Party bashing begins . . . BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #32

You know how that can be headed off? 99Forever Nov 2012 #35

And the liberal bashing begins... UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #39

Yes. Just like the lead up to 2010. I favor repeal of the Bush tax cuts and taking the country bluestate10 Nov 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2012 #63

I agree wholeheartedly. But they don't take responsibility BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #94

They remain gleeful that we didn't get the House back. joshcryer Nov 2012 #100

Alas, the Democratic Party is now run by 3rd Way "moderates" and the bashing is deserved. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #57

Apparently some of your... one_voice Nov 2012 #80

Squad? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #113

What? one_voice Nov 2012 #116

Squad? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #124

And? What? one_voice Nov 2012 #156

Then nominate progressives and win primaries in 2014 House and Senate races Telly Savalas Nov 2012 #83

I've never claimed that "progressives have the numbers". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #85

This response ignores political reality and the restructuring of our elections process. woo me with science Nov 2012 #154

Hear, hear! Excellent quote, one of my favorites. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #107

And the Liberal bashing continues! Although I think it is diminishing as more and more sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #76

Brace yourself, for if Obama agrees to cuts/slashes to SS and Medicare... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #86

Yeah. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #115

K & R Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #169

I think it's going to be much less likely now. JoeyT Nov 2012 #43

SCREW THE DEFICIT. A budget is a moral document, and there are more than one kind of debt. freshwest Nov 2012 #47

What a wonderful post. I am so thankful for this thread as Autumn Nov 2012 #78

I paragraphed the rant but don't expect positive response, thanks for yours. freshwest Nov 2012 #82

Superlative post. Yes, these are MORAL choices. woo me with science Nov 2012 #155

The biggest The Wizard Nov 2012 #55

Du rec. Nt xchrom Nov 2012 #59

Hear Hear!!! ReRe Nov 2012 #61

I see you have found another conspiracy theory. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #62

You can't 'sew division' when you are speaking for the majority! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #71

He claims hoards of DU members are "third way." And that is BULL-FUCKING-SHIt emulatorloo Nov 2012 #203

Speaking of strawmen... progressoid Nov 2012 #213

Um.... Bobbie Jo Nov 2012 #209

Seems to me inferring that a long time DUer is a troll Puglover Nov 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #171

Q:Where are the hoards of third way DU members OP claims exists? emulatorloo Nov 2012 #202

Well then respectfully you're letting yourself be divided. Puglover Nov 2012 #211

There is not going to be a Grand Bargain. And every DUer wants the safety net preserved. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #219

I hope you're right. Puglover Nov 2012 #223

Woo is neither a Republican troll nor a conspiracy theorist. eom progressoid Nov 2012 #106

Then why is he lying about DU membership? emulatorloo Nov 2012 #204

You want to run that Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #144

K&R Solly Mack Nov 2012 #67

They started a Meta thread in your honor. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #68

That just cracks me up. Puglover Nov 2012 #72

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #74

don't hurt yourself cracking up... one_voice Nov 2012 #81

This post was alerted on. The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand. ohiosmith Nov 2012 #195

Gee, I wonder who did that? UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #206

It's no propaganda that this administration is not that good at negotiations liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #69

Excellent post, thank you. No, we did not vote for 'compromise' with the most extreme sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #73

Imagine how the Republicans would behave with this kind of landslide RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #75

K&R me b zola Nov 2012 #79

I'll tell you what Americans want.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #87

Damn, another perfect post. Autumn Nov 2012 #93

Well, you certainly brought the whining DINOs out with this one. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #88

I've always rejected it, LWolf Nov 2012 #89

K&R amborin Nov 2012 #91

I just don't understand why any real Democrat wouldn't reject it.... forestpath Nov 2012 #97

Purist! WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #117

Purist and proud! forestpath Nov 2012 #193

DURec Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #98

rk PufPuf23 Nov 2012 #102

Fuckin' A! TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #103

KNR DirkGently Nov 2012 #104

3rd way "drums beating to privatize social security: amborin Nov 2012 #108

Isn't it great ProSense Nov 2012 #111

+ 1,000,000,000. They are on full force attack with their bullshit propaganda right now. Zorra Nov 2012 #112

ps: an article suggests 3d way Dems are losing Wall St; it is turning against them; so they may amborin Nov 2012 #119

...if only we had a super majority, then we wouldn't have to capitulate so early on... whirlygigspin Nov 2012 #120

Agree with everything. I think it says something laundry_queen Nov 2012 #127

Excellent post and thank you Lifelong Protester Nov 2012 #136

also reject the candidate(s) they are trying to shove down our throats for 2016 n/t antigop Nov 2012 #143

AMEN to you, science! K&R closeupready Nov 2012 #146

Nobody forced the people to vote for a Republican House of Representatives. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #147

No. ^^This^^ No. Zorra Nov 2012 #159

The people threw out at least 8 Republicans. We have now seriously diminished their sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #173

OK, that's all wonderful. But it's still a Republican controlled House. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #176

Yes, option one if it means saving SS, Medicare, ending any remaining Bush policies sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #182

I pick Option One, bvar22 Nov 2012 #190

If you want a Democrat Controlled House, try THIS for a change: bvar22 Nov 2012 #226

I thought the rethug gerrymandering kinda DID force the people to vote for a rethug House of Reps. caveat_imperator Nov 2012 #179

Yes, it absolutely did. These arguments... woo me with science Nov 2012 #192

+1, they did historical levels of gerrymandering. We actually got more votes. joshcryer Nov 2012 #218

I pine for the days when Democrats were Democrats, and told Republicans to go to Hell! No, this is WinkyDink Nov 2012 #148

That may make you feel good, but given a Republican House of Representatives, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #150

I'm a Democrat. Perhaps that is the difference between us? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #153

OK, gotcha. Sure. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #172

A Republican House that is now minus 8 seats they once held sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #157

I just wanna say, woo me with science Nov 2012 #162

Well said. aandegoons Nov 2012 #166

Emphatic K&R - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #178

Na, there's a 4th way. mwooldri Nov 2012 #180

kick. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #185

Sorry, but Obama already compromised nolabels Nov 2012 #198

K&R... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #214

kick Zorra Nov 2012 #228