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Fiendish Thingy

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42. Prosecutors can't win cases without evidence, regardless of how quickly or slowly it's obtained
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 10:01 AM
Jun 2023

Garland’s team gathered the initial, essential evidence that made the entire case possible, and Smith took it, along with the rest of his teams evidence, to the grand jury and got indictments.

Without the incomplete compliance with the May 2022 subpoena, establishing knowledge and intent to retain documents and obstruct Justice, and the August 2022 search warrant seizing the retained documents, there would be no indictments.

I just don’t see what your point is in focusing on the difference in the speed and number of actions taken by Garland versus Smith, when the most important thing is the summation of all their actions resulted in getting indictments.

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Truth. Goodheart Jun 2023 #1
And it is bad form to mock an aggrieved victim clamoring for justice Ponietz Jun 2023 #2
So why do you think it took so long?? honest.abe Jun 2023 #3
The pyramid strategy was a mistake. gab13by13 Jun 2023 #5
Of course we all wanted it to go faster but.. honest.abe Jun 2023 #17
+1 2naSalit Jun 2023 #31
If I have to apologize gab13by13 Jun 2023 #4
+1 Emile Jun 2023 #10
Well said Doc Sportello Jun 2023 #13
If you complained about the time it took AND you have prosecutorial experience, I'll listen. brooklynite Jun 2023 #6
+1 And keep in mind the Sandy Berger case timeline onenote Jun 2023 #14
Jack Smith got it done. In seven months. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #7
With the full force of the DOJ expertise and resources at his back. Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #24
Did Garland not have the full force of the DOJ expertise and resources for those 2 years? Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #26
He absolutelu did. He also had the full scope of responsibilities running DOJ. Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #34
So we agree that the cases against Trump did not move forward as quickly as they could have Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #36
We absolutely do NOT agree! Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #39
. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #40
...with prior evidence at his disposal. mzmolly Jun 2023 #29
You are right. Its the Trump age of winner / loser on everything. nt LexVegas Jun 2023 #8
LOL, Don't be sad, I'm sure everyone will think up something new to complain about! FSogol Jun 2023 #9
LOL!! Thanks. I needed that. nt Baltimike Jun 2023 #11
No Garland Fan Club membership for me, thanks just the same. Paladin Jun 2023 #12
Garland had nothing to do with these indictments. nt intrepidity Jun 2023 #15
Thank God for Jack Smith. Seven months from hire to indictment. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #25
Except Garland and his investigators did all the initial work Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #27
Ancianita has put together an excellent post on activities in the investigations. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #28
Without the actions of Garland's team (who became the bulk of Smith's team) Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #33
Yes. Ancianita's post shows Garland did do a few things in the 2 years before Smith was hired. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #35
The facts speak for themselves Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #37
Yes. After MANY months of prompting, Garland did subpoena the documents and move Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #38
Prosecutors can't win cases without evidence, regardless of how quickly or slowly it's obtained Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #42
I know you don't see my point. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #43
Garland appointed Jack Smith as special counsel IronLionZion Jun 2023 #45
Exactly. Too many things fell by the wayside. Not to mention William Barr. Autumn Jun 2023 #16
Some of us didn't want to celebrate too soon IronLionZion Jun 2023 #18
That's where I am...keeping Mueller and Fitzmas in mind. nt Baltimike Jun 2023 #19
As they talk about the indictment in the news infullview Jun 2023 #20
That old saw may not be so true any more treestar Jun 2023 #21
Those who complained how long it took have nothing to apologize for, but Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #22
Nobody needs to apologize Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #30
I'll chime in... OneGrassRoot Jun 2023 #23
So Justice has been denied? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #32
that you're still bashing him for 'taking too much time' bigtree Jun 2023 #41
Perhaps DownriverDem Jun 2023 #44
The truth of the matter is that the documents case took a year, incident to indictment. Chainfire Jun 2023 #46
Yep. A special counsel should have been appointed immediately Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #47
Thank you. Boomerproud Jun 2023 #48
... Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #49
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