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EarlG

(23,641 posts)
17. "...in some ways makes him more formidable for 2024 against Biden."
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 12:14 PM
Jun 2023

Presidential campaigns are never easy, but I just don't see how all these criminal charges make Trump more formidable than he was in 2016 (when he just managed to squeak into the presidency by a hair) or in 2020 (when he lost).

Trump's base is rock solid and yes, he likely will win the GOP nomination. But you can't win a presidential election with just your base. Do most Americans -- the middle-of-the-road types, the swing voters, the people who vote but don't pay daily attention to politics -- do they want to re-elect a candidate they already rejected in 2020? Especially if that candidate is a proven shitheel who has done nothing since he left office but spew hate, incite violence, and get himself charged with dozens of serious crimes? Not to mention the whole "leaving critical national security secrets about the defense of the nation lying around in bathrooms and showing them off to anyone he wants to impress" thing...

Wilson is right in that it's essential to remain vigilant -- of course it would be foolish for Biden and other Democrats to coast for the next year and just assume that Trump has no chance. He has to be beaten again, and soundly. But I'm not sure I buy the idea that he is somehow more formidable now than he was in the past. Election night 2016 was his peak and it's been pretty much all downhill since then, not just for him, but for many Republican candidates who attached themselves to him.

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40,000 Casady1 Jun 2023 #10
Fight back against voter suppression and deletions. GreenWave Jun 2023 #14
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Apathy is a concern all over the country DeeDeeNY Jun 2023 #58
My biggest fear Traildogbob Jun 2023 #38
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OC is purple now. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2023 #36
I thought I read recently that OC is hueing towards purple... erronis Jun 2023 #37
If that is the case it will be great. We will see. onecaliberal Jun 2023 #61
It's turned purple crazy fast around here raffishtenant Jun 2023 #69
I went to apply for my absentee ballot last night and apparently they won't let people vote by mail liberal_mama Jun 2023 #42
WTF? How can NY let Republicans suppress the vote? SunSeeker Jun 2023 #57
I know! I couldn't believe it. I did try to apply for a disability ballot, but when I clicked on it, liberal_mama Jun 2023 #60
Do let us know what they say. summer_in_TX Jun 2023 #65
The biggest danger I see in 2024 is "young voters stay home." Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2023 #2
Barely more than one and four voted after Roe v. Wade under age 29 Eliot Rosewater Jun 2023 #4
This was their grandmother's fight. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2023 #71
The young voters I know like Biden more now than in 2020. yardwork Jun 2023 #6
The DNC needs to be running "How to be Stacey Abrams" training camps. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2023 #72
Or they get all idealistic & vote 3rd party. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #7
That's a potential wild card in this election cycle Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2023 #70
I think the best thing that could happen would be a GOP attractive third-party candidate. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2023 #79
Thier biggest issue... Think. Again. Jun 2023 #52
The DNC needs to put a 50-state strategy in motion. yardwork Jun 2023 #3
waste of money Casady1 Jun 2023 #12
Howard Dean made the 50-State Strategy work, lest we forget Hekate Jun 2023 #18
That was like two centuries ago. Casady1 Jun 2023 #25
It got us Speaker Pelosi in 2006. Qutzupalotl Jun 2023 #32
That is still two centuries ago. Casady1 Jun 2023 #34
Exaggerating to make your point Qutzupalotl Jun 2023 #46
What Howard Dean did in 2004 Casady1 Jun 2023 #51
As long as you are "as dedicated" and doing your part, you don't need to worry, Cassidy1. thatcrowwoman Jun 2023 #77
It's not always about that. It's about getting a presence and maybe getting Dems into local office. GoneOffShore Jun 2023 #19
We don't have to flip states to make a difference. Qutzupalotl Jun 2023 #23
It's about the money Casady1 Jun 2023 #26
Candidates can pay their own filing fee. Qutzupalotl Jun 2023 #28
that is fine Casady1 Jun 2023 #29
You're overlooking the fact that Democrats raise more money Qutzupalotl Jun 2023 #43
Times have changed Casady1 Jun 2023 #45
Also no room for writing off people Qutzupalotl Jun 2023 #64
After Brownback's administration, slightlv Jun 2023 #48
That's True..But We Didn't REALLY Carry New York State This Time Either! OneTotalMook Jun 2023 #53
We are giving up too many races. We can win some offices in Oklahoma. yardwork Jun 2023 #55
It's time to stop writing red areas off because we think we can't win. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #5
This - a thousand times this. GoneOffShore Jun 2023 #20
I've been saying this Casady1 Jun 2023 #9
Well Said/ lees1975 Jun 2023 #16
"...in some ways makes him more formidable for 2024 against Biden." EarlG Jun 2023 #17
I think Wilson is referring to VOTER TURNOUT in 2024. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2023 #24
Ah, understood EarlG Jun 2023 #31
+1 Hekate Jun 2023 #59
"The GOP primary is the press trying to make a horserace out of horseshit" KPN Jun 2023 #21
Republicans used to at least pretend they believed in national security dlk Jun 2023 #22
This: our democracy is on the precipice and remaining on the sidelines is a vote for fascism. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #41
Oh, I like this! ShazzieB Jun 2023 #74
I just sent my postcards to 18-34 year old poli-junkie Jun 2023 #27
Every time I see Rick Wilson bloviating... WarGamer Jun 2023 #30
True that. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #47
Don't Hate the Player... Rick Wilson Was REALLY Good At Getting Out the REPUB Vote OneTotalMook Jun 2023 #54
Exactly! BigOleDummy Jun 2023 #76
Hear hear! karin_sj Jun 2023 #78
So what ? He is effective in going against Trump . JI7 Jun 2023 #73
You built this, Rick. Way before 2016, we were going to be dragged "kicking and screaming"... czarjak Jun 2023 #80
with trump calling llashram Jun 2023 #33
So now that he's finally indicted treestar Jun 2023 #35
I think it's, maybe, the unspeakable. Our greatest fantasy at the door. jaxexpat Jun 2023 #75
There is an aspect to certain indictments which prevent him from holding office again. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2023 #39
There is no way Trump can beat Biden. As for the rest of the nuts? No way. Autumn Jun 2023 #40
A conviction will appeal to some people, but most will be turned off. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #49
No, there are not... Snackshack Jun 2023 #50
We're dead in the water here in Fla. Way too many Repugs ran uncontested. In the smaller, red allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #56
No Problem. Cha Jun 2023 #62
My biggest worry is a third party flamingdem Jun 2023 #63
K&R! liberalla Jun 2023 #66
We always need to do that quakerboy Jun 2023 #67
He must be totally and utterly defeated and defanged. AllyCat Jun 2023 #68
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