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CaptainTruth

(8,217 posts)
35. Experts can & do disagree on important matters.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 04:30 PM
Jun 2023

To be clear, I'm NOT an expert in this area. I made my statement based on what others have said.

For example, Joyce Alene Vance on June 9:

1/Before everyone gets too spun up about reports Judge Cannon has been assigned to the Trump case, a little law. I used to be an appellate chief in the 11th Circuit (where Florida is) and I litigated a few appeals where we asked the court of appeals to order a judge to recuse.

2/Altho a judge's behavior in court generally doesn't form the basis for recusal, the 11th Circuit has ordered "reassignment" where a judge leans so heavily for a defendant they call their objectivity in the eyes of the public into question. This is from US v. Martin
[image which includes]
IV. REASSIGNMENT
Finally, based on our review of the record and the elements that this Court considers in determining whether to reassign a case to a different judge where there is no indication of actual bias, see United States v. Torkington, 874 F.2d 1441, 1447 (11th Cir. 1989) (per curiam), we have determined it wiser to remand this case with instructions to reassign it to a different judge.
[followed by case-specific comments which don't apply in Trump's case, which I understand may decrease the relevance of this example]

3/This is persuasive authority that Judge Cannon must step aside if the case falls to her as a permanent assignment. Her court & certainly the 11th won't tolerate the damage it would do to their credibility if she failed to voluntarily recuse.


Joyce Alene Vance on June 12/13:

1/ CIPA [Classified Information Procedures Act] is a federal law that directs how a trial judge should handle issues involving potential exposure of classified material in criminal trials. As you might expect, it's complicated.
[image that briefly explains CIPA]

2/ Today in my newsletter, I explain how CIPA works & how provisions authorizing an immediate appeal of adverse decisions may let prosecutors challenge Judge Cannon's decision to remain on the case, without incurring additional delay.

[different thread]

4/If Judge Cannon runs afoul of CIPA, prosecutors will appeal her to the 11th Circuit. If she continues to put her thumbs on the scales of justice for the former president, she could be reversed, the circuit court could direct that the case be reassigned to another judge.

5/Because the gov't will have to appeal any egregious mistakes the judge makes on CIPA matters, it's a prime opportunity to request reassignment without injecting any additional delay into the case.


And Norm Eisen on June 12:

Judge Cannon’s name may be familiar to many

She heard Trump’s challenge to the DOJ search & unlawfully barred them from using the records in their investigation

Her outrageous decisions were reversed as violations of “clear” law by an ultra-conservative 3-judge panel (2/x)

Under 28 USC 455(a) a judge shall disqualify themselves if their “impartiality might reasonably be questioned.”

Judge Cannon’s situation clearly fits that test

She is obligated to recuse herself & if she doesn’t the 11th circuit will likely reassign sooner or later (3/x)
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28 U.S. Code § 455 - Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge
(a)Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
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28 USC 455 does not require a showing of actual bias

It simply asks whether “an objective observer” would question the judge’s impartiality

How could any objective observer not question it after those lawless rulings favoring Trump as we explain (4/x)

[Link to article titled Aileen Cannon’s Previous Rulings About Trump Demand Her Recusal
BY NORMAN L. EISEN, RICHARD W. PAINTER, AND FRED WERTHEIMER JUNE 12, 2023]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/trump-indictment-remove-judge-aileen-cannon.html]


Who's right? I have no idea. I don't have a law degree & I have no expertise in this area. I'm merely noting that, as with many things, experts can & do disagree on what might or will happen. And as always, thanks for your input! I always appreciate it.




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she's a fake judge. She's a real Federalist Society political operative. TomDaisy Jun 2023 #1
That is the truth of it. ...nt 2naSalit Jun 2023 #32
So the most important case goes to the worst and least qualified judge dalton99a Jun 2023 #2
And it's the second time this "random system" picked her for a Trump trial. raging moderate Jun 2023 #4
Very suspicious if you ask me. brush Jun 2023 #11
First time was not random... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #33
One could argue that the fix is in. Magoo48 Jun 2023 #13
Any idea how she was actually chosen - coin flip, ouija board, computer, etc.? A serious question. TheRickles Jun 2023 #29
Good question! ShazzieB Jun 2023 #31
There should be a seniority requirement. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #3
She should recuse herself now... kentuck Jun 2023 #5
It's the ole catch 22 BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #12
or consequences / penalties Locrian Jun 2023 #34
Supreme Court nomination... kentuck Jun 2023 #38
Coincidence takes a lot of planning... Hekate Jun 2023 #6
It is a very beautiful coincidence dalton99a Jun 2023 #7
A beautiful day in the neighborhood ... Hekate Jun 2023 #8
And probably zero security clearance C_U_L8R Jun 2023 #9
They don't need clearance, it's inherent to the position as judge. Nevilledog Jun 2023 #10
Trial Of The Century, and we get a rookie judge. Wednesdays Jun 2023 #14
We don't have to worry about Aileen. Here's why: Native Jun 2023 #15
+1000 ancianita Jun 2023 #22
My pleasure. I'm looking forward to the podcast this weekend. Native Jun 2023 #23
Cool. But here's the thing. ancianita Jun 2023 #24
Mueller She Wrote reads more into Vance's discussion of CIPA than it merits onenote Jun 2023 #36
28 months and counting republianmushroom Jun 2023 #16
'Random', my ass. She will let him off scot-free. CousinIT Jun 2023 #17
She's not qualified. ... aggiesal Jun 2023 #18
They not only don't care, they WANT it that way..... lastlib Jun 2023 #27
Jack Smith has the right to request a different judge. CaptainTruth Jun 2023 #19
He has the right to move for her recusal under the law. Which will be denied under the law. onenote Jun 2023 #20
Experts can & do disagree on important matters. CaptainTruth Jun 2023 #35
Yes they do. But the cases she cites are not "persuasive" precedent. onenote Jun 2023 #37
If she's that unfit, Mr. Smith has a great opportunity to provide her a "teaching" moment. jaxexpat Jun 2023 #21
IOW, she's a midget in a land of giants. lastlib Jun 2023 #25
14 whole days of trial experience on the bench - yet another Repug pretender. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2023 #26
+1 dalton99a Jun 2023 #39
But she is very experienced in kissing his butt RainCaster Jun 2023 #28
The article misrepresents her experience. onenote Jun 2023 #30
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